Can You Hate Someone and Be a True Christian? - Tim Conway

[Watchman]

Did someone actually cast a first stone?

If yer talkin' to me, bro, I simply made an accurate observation! I don't like to throw stones...but I'm a decent archer, and a very good shot with a rifle!

[Slug1]

If yer talkin' to me, bro, I simply made an accurate observation! I don't like to throw stones...but I'm a decent archer, and a very good shot with a rifle!

No... I'm just wondering because only a person without any sin at all can cast a stone and only one is in this thread claiming they are without sin. Just wondering if any stones have been tossed yet.

[Watchman]

Oh, ok...I'm jiggywidit now..umm...I understand!

[Slug1]

Hey... how bout a blackpowder rifle... you a good shot with them?

I have an inline .50cal and can put a three round group in a 2 inch circle at 100 meters with the iron sights on the barrel. I plan to turn that rifle into a gunsmith and have a peep-sight put on it and I bet I can tighten the group up even more.

[Watchman]

Hey... how bout a blackpowder rifle... you a good shot with them?

I have an inline .50cal and can put a three round group in a 2 inch circle at 100 meters with the iron sights on the barrel. I plan to turn that rifle into a gunsmith and have a peep-sight put on it and I bet I can tighten the group up even more.

That's better than a whole buncha folks can do with a scoped centerfire rifle...sad to say. I have an Austin & Halleck 50 cal inline I traded for, but haven't had time to get it dirty, yet. Peep sights are the king of irons as far as my eyes are concerned. Keep me posted on your group tightening!

[PJW]

Then why do we have a parable such as the Parable of the Lost Sheep that SHOWS us that a person who is a part of the flock CAN sin and wander away.

Now... do you see Jesus treating a sinning sheep the same way that you are?

Jesus seeks after the sinning sheep... you say they aren't even a Christian anymore and call them "wanna-bes".

Shame on you!

Also... only those who are without sin can cast a stone... CAN you cast a stone, honestly?

When it came to sheep, Jesus also said this, after being asked if He was the Christ: "Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, AND THEY FOLLOW ME: (Jo 10:25-27)
The sheep who don't follow Him are not His sheep.
If one who I thought was my brother left the faith, I would always seek to know the reason for his departure, but real repentance will never be taken off the table. When he does want to serve God, he would be welcomed, but it is his decision.
If they sin, they are servants of sin. And "No man can serve two masters: for either he will hate the one, and love the other; or else he will hold to the one, and despise the other." (Matt 6:24) Sinners hate God.
I don't throw stones, because God has forgiven me of much. Therefore I will serve only Him till my vessal quits breathing.

[Slug1]

When it came to sheep, Jesus also said this, after being asked if He was the Christ: "Jesus answered them, I told you, and ye believed not: The works that I do in my Father's name, they bear witness of me. But ye believe not, BECAUSE YE ARE NOT OF MY SHEEP, as I said unto you. My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, AND THEY FOLLOW ME: (Jo 10:25-27)
The sheep who don't follow Him are not His sheep.

Yes, I understand that but you just changed it all around to avoid the parable. I'm addressing a parable that shows a sheep that was following Jesus has wandered off... do I need to post the whole parable and underline parts of it?

So, stop avoiding this... that sheep is IN the flock, wanders away which we all know means they began to sin and what happens?

Jesus = go after them.
PJW = call them a wanna-be Christian.

That is the difference here PJW... you say you are without sin yet you call a Christian who does sin, a wanna-be Christian. You don't find that this means something don't add up within you?

[PJW]

I guess it depends on how one defines "sin".

I sin - usually daily. But I ain't no wannabe. I am a child of the King. He loves me.

Jesus raised the bar on sin - being angry with a brother is worse than murder. Looking at someone of the opposite sex with lust is the same as throwing them on the ground and raping them. You worry about something? Shame on you - that's a sin. Feel more holy than another? Uh oh - BIG sin...

So please. Define "sin".

By your own words ye shall be judged. There is a way to live without sin. That way starts with repentance from sin. If your repentance is true, God will give you the Holy Ghost. But if you "sin daily" you are not repentant.
"All unrighteousness is sin: and there is a sin not unto death. We know that whosoever is born of God sinneth not; but he that is begotten of God keepeth himself, and that wicked one toucheth him not." (1 Jo 5:17-18) You can be a child of the King, but you will have to repent first. If you won't turn from sin, then your sin is unto death.

[Vhayes]

Just answer the question -

what is sin?

And if "real" Christians cannot sin, why the do we have these verses?

I John 1
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

[PJW]

So are you saying you no longer sin? I seem to recall the Bible has something to say about such an assertion.

That's right, God has made a way for His children to walk without sin. Jesus said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." (Jo 8:32) Free of what? "Verily, verily, I say unto you, whosoever committeth sin is the servant of sin." (Jo 8:34) The truth has freed me from service to sin.
I walk in the light, not in the darkness. If you are walking in the darkness, you cannot say you are without sin.

[PJW]

You're right. The idea that a Christian never commits a sin has been thoroughly disproven...but it keeps getting posted anyway. Carry on...

blessings,

Watchman

You are mistaken. Nobody can prove that satan has more power on earth, or anywhere else, than the resurrected saviour. I, and many other, have undergone the circumcision done without hands, casting off the flesh. We have been re-born of uncorruptible seed.
What spirit do you suppose is in those that say there is sin in the body of Christ?

[PJW]

Yes, I understand that but you just changed it all around to avoid the parable. I'm addressing a parable that shows a sheep that was following Jesus has wandered off... do I need to post the whole parable and underline parts of it?

So, stop avoiding this... that sheep is IN the flock, wanders away which we all know means they began to sin and what happens?

Jesus = go after them.
PJW = call them a wanna-be Christian.

That is the difference here PJW... you say you are without sin yet you call a Christian who does sin, a wanna-be Christian. You don't find that this means something don't add up within you?

Please post the parable, or at least, where I can find it. Thanks

[PJW]

Just answer the question -

what is sin?

And if "real" Christians cannot sin, why the do we have these verses?

I John 1
9 If we confess our sins, He is faithful and righteous to forgive us our sins and to cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
10 If we say that we have not sinned, we make Him a liar and His word is not in us.

"All unrighteousness is sin..."
The cited verses are for those who have not submitted themselves to the authority of God and His Son. Certainly NOT Christians.
"We" have confessed our sins, and been washed of all our old sins. "We" walk in the light as He is in the light.
I, and all of "us" have sinned, but we have turned from sin. Away from the darkness and unto God. Isn't that Why Jesus came? So we could be free of sin? Or are you like the old Jews who were looking for a saviour to save them from the Romans?
There is a much greater power fighting for your soul, and it's not communism or capitalism or any other "ism". The devil is the one that the sinner needs freedom from.

[Watchman]

You are mistaken.

Not mistaken...you're misunderstanding me!

Nobody can prove that satan has more power on earth, or anywhere else, than the resurrected saviour.

Nobody I've seen is trying to prove this. The question is whether a saint can sin, not whether the defeated enemy has more power. His power is deception, over which the Truth is victorious.

I, and many other, have undergone the circumcision done without hands, casting off the flesh. We have been re-born of uncorruptible seed.

Praise God! So have I. The difference is that I understand that growth must take place, and that mistakes are made in the growing process. Peter made several of them. The saints at Corinth made several of them. Yet nowhere are any of these folks referred to as less than saints and siblings in Christ.

What spirit do you suppose is in those that say there is sin in the body of Christ?

What Spirit was in Paul? I'm sure you've heard these examples before. Whatever doctrinal differences may lie between us, God will make plain to us. Carry on.

blessings,

W

[Slug1]

Please post the parable, or at least, where I can find it. Thanks

Ya find it in the Bible

Here ya go

Matthew 18, starting at verse 10