Can You Hate Someone and Be a True Christian? - Tim Conway

[Slug1]

God will forgive everyone who "turns from sin" (repents of sin). But don't be fooled into thinking that you can continuously sin and repent, sin and repent. That only reveals that the previous "repentance" was a lie.
God knows the hearts of men. "God heareth not sinners." (Jo 9:31) If a liar says he's sorry...what is the proof of his sorrow? Isn't it truth from then on?

I didn't say that a person sin's and repents as if it's a habit... I asked about someone who "trips"! They aren't stumbling, they haven't backslidden, they haven't stopped running, they only tripped... or in other words, they did "A" sin...

So, question stands and waits for you to address because it still seems you are avoiding answering the clear question:

Originally Posted by Slug1 ... what happens during the race and a person does a sin and seeks forgiveness?

Does Jesus answer that prayer for forgiveness or does He NOT?

There is also another problem with what you say in the usage of the John 9:31 scripture in the way you used it. If the way you use that scripture was accurate to the meaning God intended, then when a person is a "sinner" and is not in Christ and decides to CHOOSE Christ and believe, HOW are they to pray to God if He's NEVER going to listen to them because they are a sinner?

[PJW]

I didn't say that a person sin's and repents as if it's a habit... I asked about someone who "trips"! They aren't stumbling, they haven't backslidden, they haven't stopped running, they only tripped... or in other words, they did "A" sin...

So, question stands and waits for you to address because it still seems you are avoiding answering the clear question:

If his repentance is true, God will accept him. He will also not allow him to be tempted above what he can handle, but will make a way to escape the temptation. (1 Cor 10:13)
Those who's repentance is true won't "slip".

[Slug1]

If his repentance is true, God will accept him. He will also not allow him to be tempted above what he can handle, but will make a way to escape the temptation. (1 Cor 10:13)
Those who's repentance is true won't "slip".

Doesn't answer the question... Does God answer the prayer of a Christian who has sinned? In other words... when a Christian DOESN'T take the escape God provided, will He answer their prayer seeking forgiveness?

Also:

There is also another problem with what you say in the usage of the John 9:31 scripture in the way you used it. If the way you use that scripture was accurate to the meaning God intended, then when a person is a "sinner" and is not in Christ and decides to CHOOSE Christ and believe, HOW are they to pray to God if He's NEVER going to listen to them because they are a sinner?

[PJW]

Doesn't answer the question... Does God answer the prayer of a Christian who has sinned? In other words... when a Christian DOESN'T take the escape God provided, will He answer their prayer seeking forgiveness?

Also:

There is also another problem with what you say in the usage of the John 9:31 scripture in the way you used it. If the way you use that scripture was accurate to the meaning God intended, then when a person is a "sinner" and is not in Christ and decides to CHOOSE Christ and believe, HOW are they to pray to God if He's NEVER going to listen to them because they are a sinner?

A Christian won't sin. It's the "wanna-bes" that think they can receive the gifts Jesus died for, that continue to sin. Until a man submits to God, the only god he serves is sin. But Jesus said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Then Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeht sin is the servant of sin." (Jo 8:32,34)
"No man can serve two masters..."
Who is the sinner serving, according to Jesus?
Your second question proves the point that a repentant person is a NON-SINNER.

[tango]

A Christian won't sin. It's the "wanna-bes" that think they can receive the gifts Jesus died for, that continue to sin. Until a man submits to God, the only god he serves is sin. But Jesus said, "And ye shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free." Then Jesus said, "Verily, verily, I say unto you, Whosoever committeht sin is the servant of sin." (Jo 8:32,34)
"No man can serve two masters..."
Who is the sinner serving, according to Jesus?
Your second question proves the point that a repentant person is a NON-SINNER.

So you would be of the opinion that once someone has truly accepted Jesus it is not possible for them to sin, not even once?

What would you make of Heb 10:14 - "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. "

Note the two tenses - "he has perfected" - past tense, done deal, completed and "those who are being" - present ongoing tense. Jesus has made us perfect, acceptable to God, and we "are being sanctified" as an ongoing process.

For that matter what about Peter who walked so very closely with Jesus, then denied him completely under presure, and was then restored?

[claybevan]

The emphasis I believe should be on the definition of the word 'hate'
There are some brothers and sisters with whom I don't get on very well with or find it hard to like but to say I hate or detest them would be far too strong.
God does I believe take away Hate from the converted immediately. If we search our hearts I think we find that when it comes down to it we don't 'Hate' anymore, in a hypothetical situation would any of us turn a hungry brother from the door or not try to help a sick sister, if we can without feeling uncomfortable then I don't think we are true christians.
It's the little irksome dislikes that we are still left with and I think as stated in the video we grow from dislike, kind of like, to like, to love and up and on.
So yes we are freed I believe from Hate immediately.

When a bunch of thugs beat up my son and broke his jaw and arm, hate just wasn't there. Initially I wanted to go round with a cricket bat but that was an impulsive reaction, when I had to consider hating them and consciously doing them harm, it wasn't there.
I would go as far to say that on salvation we are not only freed from hatred toward our brothers but unbelievers also.
Its hatred of the sin that stays, not hatred of the sinner.

[Indueseason]

Mod Note: moving this to Bible Chat, where the debate can continue.

[PJW]

So you would be of the opinion that once someone has truly accepted Jesus it is not possible for them to sin, not even once?

What would you make of Heb 10:14 - "For by one offering He has perfected forever those who are being sanctified. "

Note the two tenses - "he has perfected" - past tense, done deal, completed and "those who are being" - present ongoing tense. Jesus has made us perfect, acceptable to God, and we "are being sanctified" as an ongoing process.

For that matter what about Peter who walked so very closely with Jesus, then denied him completely under presure, and was then restored?

1 By sinning a person manifests that they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord. They are serving sin instead. (Jo 8:32,34)
2 My version of the bible doesn't pander to the sinner. The KJV says,"For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that ARE sanctified." (Heb 10:14)
3 Peter hadn't received the Holy Ghost yet when he sinned. The Holy Ghost is promised to those who repent. (Acts 2:38)

[Slug1]

A Christian won't sin.

Then why do we have a parable such as the Parable of the Lost Sheep that SHOWS us that a person who is a part of the flock CAN sin and wander away.

Now... do you see Jesus treating a sinning sheep the same way that you are?

Jesus seeks after the sinning sheep... you say they aren't even a Christian anymore and call them "wanna-bes".

Shame on you!

Also... only those who are without sin can cast a stone... CAN you cast a stone, honestly?

[Vhayes]

I guess it depends on how one defines "sin".

I sin - usually daily. But I ain't no wannabe. I am a child of the King. He loves me.

Jesus raised the bar on sin - being angry with a brother is worse than murder. Looking at someone of the opposite sex with lust is the same as throwing them on the ground and raping them. You worry about something? Shame on you - that's a sin. Feel more holy than another? Uh oh - BIG sin...

So please. Define "sin".

[tango]

1 By sinning a person manifests that they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord. They are serving sin instead. (Jo 8:32,34)
2 My version of the bible doesn't pander to the sinner. The KJV says,"For by one offering He hath perfected forever them that ARE sanctified." (Heb 10:14)
3 Peter hadn't received the Holy Ghost yet when he sinned. The Holy Ghost is promised to those who repent. (Acts 2:38)

So are you saying you no longer sin? I seem to recall the Bible has something to say about such an assertion.

[Watchman]

So are you saying you no longer sin? I seem to recall the Bible has something to say about such an assertion.

Isn't there a plethora of threads already dedicated to this question?

[tango]

Isn't there a plethora of threads already dedicated to this question?

Probably, but since it was asserted one post before mine that "By sinning a person manifests that they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord. They are serving sin instead." it's cropped up here as well.

There are probably a plethora of threads dedicated to any question that might be asked here, the board has been going long enough.

[Watchman]

Probably, but since it was asserted one post before mine that "By sinning a person manifests that they have not accepted Jesus as their Lord. They are serving sin instead." it's cropped up here as well.

There are probably a plethora of threads dedicated to any question that might be asked here, the board has been going long enough.

You're right. The idea that a Christian never commits a sin has been thoroughly disproven...but it keeps getting posted anyway. Carry on...

blessings,

Watchman

[Slug1]

Did someone actually cast a first stone?