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  • No religion

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  • Whatever religion our parents are

    2 8.33%
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Thread: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madrid View Post
    What if one is not aware of what God is? Can they still willfully reject something for which they aren't even aware of what it is?
    If we can live for something by faith and not by sight then I guess they can reject without proof
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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Another frivolous, fallacious query.

    As a (pretentious) intellectual, you challenge the inherently intangible to be imperically proven within the tangible; yet the very cognition you utilize to do so is intangible. You cannot conceive/perceive of an intangible God, yet there is a substantial intrinsic physiological interrelational dependence of intangible cognition to/upon tangible biological components. How can you hope/demand to comprehend something absolutely non-corporeal like God without some understanding of immaterial cognition's sybiotic subsistence of immaterial and material? You blithely overlook the paradox of utilizing an intangible to adamantly impugn the intangible.

    You're (tauntingly) asking for tangible absolutes of an intangible God while wholly (and obliviously) depending upon intangible cognition to do so. Your mental callisthenics are humorously ironic.

    Not all Christians are bumbling morons supplanting intellect and reason with fables and superstition. Unless/until you can thoroughly grasp every facet of your own cognitive functions, perhaps you should be less obtuse about other intangibles. At least our faith includes God manifesting, declaring, demonstrating, and expressing Himself in the tangible as Jesus Christ the Righteous. There is no cognitive equivalent of The Divine Expression.

    You've mistaken perception for reality. Prove the tangible is reality. Prove you're conscious. Prove you're "you".
    Last edited by PneumaPsucheSoma; Oct 26th 2010 at 01:59 AM.

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Quote Originally Posted by Madrid View Post
    Should the belief be completely unbiased?
    In other words, if there are outside influences - that have nothing to do with the facts which have been presented - which cause one to lean more towards either believing or not believing, then that person's belief is biased.
    I don't believe you can be unbiased completely. Everything in life is influenced in some way.

    Let's say you have facts presented to you. The fact that Jesus died on the cross and three days later rose again. You either believe it, or not. If the person believes it themselves then you could say it's biased, if they don't, they are biased. If they don't know but believe there is a god then they are biased because they pre-suppose the existance of a god.
    That's what the Gospel (good news) is about, changing lives. We are influenced in part by what we see in the changed lives of Christians (who make a concious decision to follow the Lord Jesus), and if I may say in the life of Jesus Himself.

    If I may say Madrid I would say your posts on this forum have been biased, based on what I have read. You clearly don't believe in God and you show this by your answers to the questions and the comments you make. I may be wrong, but that's how it comes across on the surface, only God knows for definite.



    EDIT, oh and in response to your original question I say no religion, because religion is something followed by people. We decide to follow a religion, even if we are born into a family who follow one. There are stories of people born into religious families who don't follow it, and those outside religious families who do, it's all about our choices. New born babies don't make choices.
    Last edited by MyRock; Oct 26th 2010 at 08:49 AM. Reason: Forgot to actually answer the original question
    Jesus Christ....who do you say He is?


    Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world. 1 John 4:1

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    This also begs to the question of how science has enabled us to come out of our cave and see the light according to science .

    We have been told that the caveman could not understand so he rationalized everything with God's.
    You can also say that an infant before learning in school would also be more likely to think there were God's.
    Or that may be why children think there are monsters under their bed.

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Atheists are working by the design they are intended to so yes they are born to not believe. If Atheists were not around we would not see this example I am about to give you so I am thankful for Atheists.
    If I know something (Jesus teaches us this in chapter John) then I will reject anything I am told even if what I know is wrong because I am not open to anything other than what I know. I hold up my hand and turn my face from any evidence.
    Did you know that Science itself states we have to have a belief to have a question? I do not know why Atheists keep saying that Science cannot prove God exists or does not, because if we really look at Science we see something amazing happening. Back to your question and my explanation of why I say they are born like that: Lets make an example of a scientist (me) and an manager with an MBA (Atheist). As a scientist I believe the moon is made of rocks but I do not know. The manager has a degree and the schools that he went to taught that the moon was made of cheese. As a scientist I launch a rocket to go to the moon because I really do not know either way. I only believe that the moon is made of stone. We all know that we can look into the sky all we want but if we do not go there we really do not know.
    The manager already knows for a fact in his mind that the moon is made of cheese. No matter what I do to try and prove to the manager that we even brought back rocks from the moon he will reject this because he already knows.
    Atheists do not want answers because they already know. This is because they are born to teach us that when we reject anything to do with our Wonderful Creator we will never have proof. They are born as they are supposed to be, to learn from. When we already know God does not exist we reject anything more. When we really believe we find little answers and big answers. They might not end up in the same place as we will whom believe, but this does not mean God does not have a purpose for them.

    “Why does God let this happen?” – “To teach us what pain is so that you can spend an eternity thinking of others and not yourself.”
    “Why did God make Atheists?” – “To teach us that when we reject something we will never know the truth”

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Quote Originally Posted by PneumaPsucheSoma View Post
    Another frivolous, fallacious query.

    As a (pretentious) intellectual, you challenge the inherently intangible to be imperically proven within the tangible; yet the very cognition you utilize to do so is intangible. You cannot conceive/perceive of an intangible God, yet there is a substantial intrinsic physiological interrelational dependence of intangible cognition to/upon tangible biological components. How can you hope/demand to comprehend something absolutely non-corporeal like God without some understanding of immaterial cognition's sybiotic subsistence of immaterial and material? You blithely overlook the paradox of utilizing an intangible to adamantly impugn the intangible.

    You're (tauntingly) asking for tangible absolutes of an intangible God while wholly (and obliviously) depending upon intangible cognition to do so. Your mental callisthenics are humorously ironic.

    Not all Christians are bumbling morons supplanting intellect and reason with fables and superstition. Unless/until you can thoroughly grasp every facet of your own cognitive functions, perhaps you should be less obtuse about other intangibles. At least our faith includes God manifesting, declaring, demonstrating, and expressing Himself in the tangible as Jesus Christ the Righteous. There is no cognitive equivalent of The Divine Expression.

    You've mistaken perception for reality. Prove the tangible is reality. Prove you're conscious. Prove you're "you".

    I'm just saying... This is Awesome!

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    Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Actually, the question itself is irrelevant to anything. We are not born with Knowledge of any form, you should already have come to recognize this in your life. The beauty of belief is that we have the free will in time to believe or not to believe. If we are born with no knowledge then the answer to your question is neither, but this is like asking if it is okay to kill. If you are a wild animal you are not given this choice, as a human you are shown and should understand in time what is right and what is immoral and unethical. Basically you could ask, "Are humans born with knowledge of God?".

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    I can't remember a time when I didnt believe in God. If you want to bless your child, mothers read the Bible out loud and pray out loud for them while they're in the womb, and teach them about Jesus from cradle till grave. Also, commit them into God's hands as soon as you know of their conception.

    I don't know if reading the Bible to them while they're in the womb or as infants will work, because I am not an expert in that field, but it certainly wont hurt. Additionally, it will be establish a good habit for you of reading to your children early in their lives.

    Secondly, we really are not the religion of our parents when we are born if we are Christians. We must reach a point when we are born again. But parents can and should play a huge role in that happening eventually.

    Baruch HaShem, eirene adelphoi, and dios te bendiga.
    1 John 1:7- But if we walk in the light, as he is in the light, we have fellowship one with another, and the blood of Jesus Christ his Son cleanseth us from all sin.

    2 Corinthians 7:1- Having therefore these promises, dearly beloved, let us cleanse ourselves from all filthiness of the flesh and spirit, perfecting holiness in the fear of God.

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    Re: Are we born without a religion or are we born atheists?

    Old thread from 2010 being dredged up by post #35
    John 10 (KJV)
    27 My sheep hear my voice, and I know them, and they follow me:
    28 And I give unto them eternal life; and they shall never perish, neither shall any man pluck them out of my hand.
    29 My Father, which gave them me, is greater than all; and no man is able to pluck them out of my Father's hand.

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