Hypothetical question

[TomH]

Recent posts to other threads has caused a question to sprout it's ugly little head.


May I ask a hypothetical question?

If Christ died for every sin but Adam’s first sin, would we receive salvation?

Goes in line with did we inherit Adams sin, or did we just inherit the capability to sin?

[markedward]

To answer your second question: We only inherited a sinful nature. Scripture explicitly says that no one inherits the guilt of their ancestor's actual sins, hence, we are not held guilty for Adam's first sin.

To answer your first question: Yes, we would still receive salvation. But you don't know if Adam's sin was forgiven or not.

[Reynolds357]

To answer your second question: We only inherited a sinful nature. Scripture explicitly says that no one inherits the guilt of their ancestor's actual sins, hence, we are not held guilty for Adam's first sin.

To answer your first question: Yes, we would still receive salvation. But you don't know if Adam's sin was forgiven or not.

We most certainly are born held guilty for Adam's sin.
If we did not inherit origional sin, it would be theoretically possible for us to enter Heaven without the need of a Savior.

[Reynolds357]

To answer your second question: We only inherited a sinful nature. Scripture explicitly says that no one inherits the guilt of their ancestor's actual sins, hence, we are not held guilty for Adam's first sin.

To answer your first question: Yes, we would still receive salvation. But you don't know if Adam's sin was forgiven or not.

Adam's sin was forgiven. You remember God cutting covenant with Adam after his sin?

[markedward]

Scripture says we are held responsible for our sins, but it clearly states that no one is held responsible for the sins of their ancestors. Adam is our ancestor is he not? Then we are not held responsible for his sin.

If we did not inherit original sin, it would be theoretically possible for us to enter Heaven without the need of a Savior.

I clearly said we inherited a sin nature. Hence, no, it is not "theoretically possible" to be saved without Christ, because we are inherently sinful.

Deuteronomy 24.16: "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."

Ezekiel 18.20: "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

I have zero guilt for my forefather's sin, and that includes Adam's sin.

Adam's sin was forgiven. You remember God cutting covenant with Adam after his sin?

First: Scripture never says Adam was forgiven for his sin. That's an assumption. Second: Where did I ever say that God "cut [his] covenant with Adam after his sin"? Don't put words in my mouth.

[Reynolds357]

Scripture says we are held responsible for our sins, but it clearly states that no one is held responsible for the sins of their ancestors. Adam is our ancestor is he not? Then we are not held responsible for his sin.

I clearly said we inherited a sin nature. Hence, no, it is not "theoretically possible" to be saved without Christ, because we are inherently sinful.

Deuteronomy 24.16: "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin."

Ezekiel 18.20: "The soul who sins shall die. The son shall not suffer for the iniquity of the father, nor the father suffer for the iniquity of the son. The righteousness of the righteous shall be upon himself, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon himself."

I have zero guilt for my forefather's sin, and that includes Adam's sin.

First: Scripture never says Adam was forgiven for his sin. That's an assumption. Second: Where did I ever say that God "cut [his] covenant with Adam after his sin"? Don't put words in my mouth.

I said God cut covenant with Adam after Adam sinned. I did not say that you said that. There is an account of it in Genesis. If God cut covenant with Adam, God forgave Adam of his sin prior to that covenant. That is how covenant works.
Inheriting a sin nature would not make us guilty of sin. Thus, it would be possible for us to enter heaven without a savior.
Neither scripture has anything to do with the discussion of orig. sin.
Deuteronomy 5:9 more closely deals with this issue.

[TomH]

And to carry it a bit further, if we inherit Adams sin at birth, all infants and children who should die before realizing their own personal sin, are condemned to hell.

What a sad thought that would be.

[Vhayes]

The question should be, are we born spiritually dead because Adam died spiritually?

[Reynolds357]

And to carry it a bit further, if we inherit Adams sin at birth, all infants and children who should die before realizing their own personal sin, are condemned to hell.

What a sad thought that would be.

There is an entire other area of theology that deals with that.

[Cain]

And to carry it a bit further, if we inherit Adams sin at birth, all infants and children who should die before realizing their own personal sin, are condemned to hell.

What a sad thought that would be.

And don't forget that two out of three fertilized eggs never implant into the wall of the uterus. Do those fertilized but unborn eggs have a soul? do they go to hell without even having the chance to make the decision to sin or not?

[Firefighter]

There is an entire other area of theology that deals with that.

By all means share...

[RogerW]

We most certainly are born held guilty for Adam's sin.
If we did not inherit origional sin, it would be theoretically possible for us to enter Heaven without the need of a Savior.

Does Scripture tell us we are born guilty for Adam's sin? OR Does Scripture tell us that by one man (Adam) sin entered the world, and death by sin; and so death passed upon all men, for that all have sinned:? Are we also held guilty for Adam's particular sin, or are we all born condemned to death because Adam sinned? By the offense of Adam, all humanity came under judgment, therefore by one man's disobedience we were made sinners. How? We inherited the same nature as Adam. Now instead being born in image of God, we are born in the image of our earthly father.

Ge*5:3 And Adam lived an hundred and thirty years, and begat a son in his own likeness, after his image; and called his name Seth:

Being born in the likeness and image of our earthly parents means more than simply resembling them. It means we have also inherited a natural, fallen nature (mind, heart, will) that is without ability to turn to Christ for life. We became subject to death and bound to serve Satan and sin. For this reason we must be born again in the image of Christ, by the power of His Word and Spirit.

[RogerW]

The question should be, are we born spiritually dead because Adam died spiritually?

Yes, I think that's what Gen 2:17 is telling us.

Heb. "dying thou shalt die. surely."

[Vhayes]

Yes, I think that's what Gen 2:17 is telling us.

Heb. "dying thou shalt die. surely."

And can I get an AMEN from all God's children?