The 70th week: Fulfilled, unfulfilled?

[Stephen1]

Agreed about the believer being in the spiritual temple of God

But, 2Thessalonians 2:8-12 presents a physical temple as well which will be on the mount during the coming triibulation period .... the 70th week decreed for Israel

.... it will not be one of the Lord's doing on the earth [Revelation 11:1-2]

It will be the temple of the little horn, a king of the northern Middle East .... this temple is on the mount today

The Islamics of the Middle East are identified in scripture as the followers of satan's beast [in the little horn]

There are current dispensational teachers who think that a tribulation temple of the Lord's will be built .... not true

will be posting info on the temple soon

[Diggindeeper]

Here are those scriptures.

2 Thessalonians 2:8-12
8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,

10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.

11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:

12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

Where is anything about a temple that will be on the mount during the tribulation? More precisely, where does it tell of of a future stone and mortar temple? Even more precisely, I don't find a mount mentioned.

[Stephen1]

You need to read the entire context of 2thessalonians 2

The mount is the court "without" the temple of the Lord's [Revelation 11:2]

[divaD]

Are you saying that the seventieth week of Daniel is the seven years of the tribulation that precede the return of Christ?

For the cause of Christ
Roger

I'm undecided, but yes, that's pretty much the way I deduce it currently. Like everyone else, I too see the Messiah being cut off, referring to His death. But I'm not convinced He was cut off
in the midst of the 70th week. Even tho I'm convinced that Christ put an end to the sacrificing of animals for sins, etc, I'm not convinced that verse 27 is even referring to that. The reason I'm not convinced is because of the following.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. This would be the 70th week. Why would Christ only confirm the covenant with many for 7 yrs, this 7 yrs ending around 37 AD or so? That just doesn't make sense. I just don't buy it, based on the lack of logical explanations backed with Scripture.

[Stephen1]

It is the Lord who will confirm the covenant with Israel during the coming 70th week still pending

It is the other prince who will come to desecrate and cause worship at the Kotel [western wall] to cease at the middle of the 70th week

The Lord is the Messiah prince .... the first "he" who will confirm the covenant with the "many" of a remnant part of believing Israel [the other prince cannot do this]

It is the other prince and his followers who will invade and occupy Israel for 42 months [second half of the future 70th week] .... the second "he"

The structure of visionary prophecy is ofter repetative in the narrative

[divaD]

It is the Lord who will confirm the covenant with Israel during the coming 70th week still pending

This I can see as a logical conclusion. But for it have occured in the 1st century, that I find illogical, because in my opin, the end of the 70 weeks would be the end of time as we know it. And that didn't happen in the 1st century, the end if time that is.

[Stephen1]

You are correct

The events of the entire 70th week did not happen in the first century .... none of them

The vision is all about Daniel's people at the time of the end

Israel has been regathered to experience this time frame today

Watch the Middle East

[notuptome]

I'm undecided, but yes, that's pretty much the way I deduce it currently. Like everyone else, I too see the Messiah being cut off, referring to His death. But I'm not convinced He was cut off
in the midst of the 70th week. Even tho I'm convinced that Christ put an end to the sacrificing of animals for sins, etc, I'm not convinced that verse 27 is even referring to that. The reason I'm not convinced is because of the following.

And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week. This would be the 70th week. Why would Christ only confirm the covenant with many for 7 yrs, this 7 yrs ending around 37 AD or so? That just doesn't make sense. I just don't buy it, based on the lack of logical explanations backed with Scripture.

The one confirming the covenant is not Messiah but antichrist. That is why it is a seven year covenant. The covenant Christ confirmed is an eternal covenant. Heb 8:9-13, & ch 9 esp vs 15

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Raybob]

Agreed about the believer being in the spiritual temple of God

But, 2Thessalonians 2:8-12 presents a physical temple as well which will be on the mount during the coming triibulation period .... the 70th week decreed for Israel
...

You must be reading a different bible than the one I have. Where do you find the words "physical temple" in 2Thess.?

Now therefore ye are no more strangers and foreigners, but fellowcitizens with the saints, and of the household of God; And are built upon the foundation of the apostles and prophets, Jesus Christ himself being the chief corner stone; In whom all the building fitly framed together groweth unto an holy temple in the Lord: In whom ye also are builded together for an habitation of God through the Spirit.
(Eph 2:19-22)

[thedee]

The one confirming the covenant is not Messiah but antichrist. That is why it is a seven year covenant. The covenant Christ confirmed is an eternal covenant. Heb 8:9-13, & ch 9 esp vs 15

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Excellent point Roger.

[Stephen1]

" You must be reading a different bible than the one I have. Where do you find the words "physical temple" in 2Thess.?"

2Thessalonians 2:4

I would suggest the you study Daniel's visions of the little horn, king of the north; and Revelation's beast from the abyss
[Daniel 7:7-25; 8:9-12; 8:23-25; 9:26-27; 11:36-45; 12:7; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:1-4; 17:8-18]

Once you have mastered these passages of scripture you will then be able to grasp a better understanding of 2Thessalonians

[Raybob]

" You must be reading a different bible than the one I have. Where do you find the words "physical temple" in 2Thess.?"

2Thessalonians 2:4..

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(2Th 2:4)

This doesn't say anything about a physical temple. We all know from many scriptures the temple of God, since the cross, is the believers in Jesus. Once you have mastered Ephesians 2, you will understand that.

[thedee]

Who opposeth and exalteth himself above all that is called God, or that is worshipped; so that he as God sitteth in the temple of God, shewing himself that he is God.
(2Th 2:4)

This doesn't say anything about a physical temple. We all know from many scriptures the temple of God, since the cross, is the believers in Jesus. Once you have mastered Ephesians 2, you will understand that.

2 Thes 2:4 is referencing back to Daniel 9:27. You realize that right? But Daniel 9:27 will not be properly interpreted if you don't get who the "he" in the verse is referring to. If you read verse 26 it gives you the answer.

Who is the last person mentioned in verse 26? The "people of the prince" correct? and then it moves on to verse 27 when it says "Then he...". This is the AntiChrist.

What do you think Daniel 12:11 is referring to?

[Stephen1]

"This doesn't say anything about a physical temple. We all know from many scriptures the temple of God, since the cross, is the believers in Jesus. Once you have mastered Ephesians 2, you will understand that."

I already understand Ephesians 2, but there will be a brick and mortar temple on the mount that satan's beast will sit in as 2Thessalonians 2:4 reveals

Both are true .... a figurative temple composed of believers .... and a physical temple that the man of sin will sit in

If your one sided view were true then satan's man of sin will sit in the believer .... this idea makes no sense

It seems that you are attempting to deny the truth about satan and his workings that the Lord will allow at the time of the end

Satan is coming to the earth and he will present his "lie" of his "antichrist", the first beast of Revelation [in the little horn of Daniel's visions]

This entity will be seen and experienced by an unbelieving world .... and he will sit in the temple of his "god" in the "holy place" [on the temple mount] in Jerusalem at the time of the end

Here is a warning to those who sit on the fence today and refuse to accept the whole truth revealed in scripture .... this behavior reflects the possibility of an unsaved condition .... an indicator that misleading error has crept in: [a cut from my website]

Those who "profess" christianity only are not believers in the first place and are no different that the rest of unbelieving humanity ..... they do not belong to Jesus Christ and these living at the time will be subjected to His coming hour of trial and wrath [the tribulation period] just like the rest of the world. [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:16]

These refuse to believe the truth about Jesus Christ, even if they come in His name, just as all of intransigent humanity, and they are no different .... unfortunately the world is full of these people today and the Lord will judge them. [Matthew 24:4-5; Psalms 2]

In the process He will allow for satanic infestation by removing restraint against satan and the fallen angelics and they will be sent and sequestered upon the earth during the tribulation period .... because the world refuses to believe the truth about Him, He will give them the devil. The world is moving closer toward this setting and there are, both pseudo-christian and non-christian factions, who are seeding the winds of deception for the cause. [2Thessalonians 2:8-12]

This satanic infestation will produce many supernatural and strange conditions upon the earth and the hallmark of satan's beast will be his capacity to make war and to defeat all human effort against him .... he will conquer without failure and none will stop him. [Revelation 6:13; 8:10; 9:1-11; 9:13-21; 12:7-12; 13:4-8; 13:11-15]

His core followers will admire his astounding success against nations, their governments, and certainly the nation of Israel of which he will invade and occupy .... his followers will believe his claims to be a "god" as he moves to conquer the world. [Daniel 11:36-45]

He will be followed and admired by many as he destroys their enemies by killing hundreds of thousands in one devastating blow after the other .... nothing will stand in his way and his angelic and human armies will ravage the earth and those who refuse to submit will be hunted down and killed. [Daniel 8:23-25; 11:36-44; Revelation 6:4-11; 9:5,18; 13:7; 14:13; 20:4(those beheaded)]

This action will be the "lie" and delusion that the Lord will send to the followers of satan's beast who will think that he is a "god" ..... then the Lord Himself will turn on the beast and his kingdom of followers, destroy them just at the end of the tribulation period, and restore the kingdom to Israel. [Ezekiel 38:39; Joel 2:20-32; 3:1-21; Micah 4:1-3;, 5:1-15; Zechariah 14:1-16; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

Keep in mind that this beast will not be an ordinary human, he is a fallen angelic possessing excessive destructive powers imputed by satan .... he will appear as nothing the world has ever seen in the human little horn of Daniel's visions .... and this angelic king of the abyss cannot be killed by ordinary means which will astonish the world .... only the Lord can destroy angelics in His lake of fire. [Jude 1:6; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:2-4; 17:8; 19:20]

This is the "lie" and delusion that satan will be allowed to present to a world of humans who will follow and perish in the process .... this will all be part of the Lord's judgment against humanity for their unbelief and rejection of Him .... and He will also at the same time ultimately destroy satan's ploy by eliminating his angelic and human agents and then capture and send him to the abyss. The next objective will be to destroy him forever. [Revelation 20:1-3; 20:7-10]

The Lord never looses a battle and His ways are unfettered, even by satan and his manipulations .... He will draw satan in to the fray .... and then crush him .... while the devil is watching one hand, the Lord will kill him with the other. [Genesis 3:14-15]

[Diggindeeper]

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