The 70th week: Fulfilled, unfulfilled?

[BroRog]

Well, if it was speaking of the literal end of sin in the world then the prophecy would not be completely fulfilled until the last day of the world as we know it. If the 70th week ended upon Christ's return, as some believe, then the literal end of sin at the end of the 70th week would be a problem for premil, but not for amil. So, I'm curious as to how premils would try to reconcile their view if they see it as speaking of the literal end of sin.

I don't know how Premils would think of this. But I'm not sure that the angel Gabriel meant to suggest that each item on the list would be completed during the 70 weeks, only that they be started during that time.

[jeffweeder]

It is finished.

Jn 17
4 "I glorified You on the earth, having accomplished the work which You have given Me to do.

[Realist1981]

The 70th week was fulfilled after the 69th week
There is/was no gap between it

[Oh2LookUponHim]

I believe that the 69 weeks have occured and that the 70th week is yet future.

The 70th week was fulfilled after the 69th week
There is/was no gap between it

How can there be no gap? Don't even partial preterists need a 40 year gap between Messiah being cut off after the 69th week and their placement of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and ceasing of the sacrifice and oblation during the remaining 7 years of the 70th week?

[Diggindeeper]

When Jesus said, "IT IS FINISHED", it really was. The destruction of Jerusalem and especially the destruction of the temple in 70AD signified the complete ending of the 70 weeks of Daniel.

Its done. God wants no more sacrifices. Jesus was our forever, one and only, needed sacrifice. Never again will any of those animal sacrifices be acceptable to God.

[DurbanDude]

Fulfilled. No examples anywhere of God putting a gap in any time prophecies. Why would he do it in this one?

What about Daniel 12, the chapter that deals with the events leading up to the resurrection.

12:11 And from the time that the daily sacrifice shall be taken away, and the abomination that maketh desolate set up, there shall be a thousand two hundred and ninety days.

Unless the daily sacrifice taken away, and the abomination occur on the same day, there is a well defined gap here, starting with the crucifixion, and ending with the abomination. The final 3.5 years before the resurrection occurs after an age that starts with the crucifixion and ends with the abomination.

This is why I believe half of the 70th seven has been fulfilled up to the crucifixion, then we have this non-Jewish age when God brings his word to the nations, and then we will have the last 3.5 years of the Jewish period when the great abomination appears.Sure there have been other abominations, but none greater then a man who declares himslef God and is worshipped as such by the entire earth, as prophesied in Thessalonians and Daniel 11, and Revelation 13. This event occurs 3.5 years before the resurrection and Daniel 12 confirms this abomination occurring 3.5 years before the resurrection.

[Raybob]

I believe that the 69 weeks have occured and that the 70th week is yet future.



How can there be no gap? Don't even partial preterists need a 40 year gap between Messiah being cut off after the 69th week and their placement of the destruction of Jerusalem in 70 AD and ceasing of the sacrifice and oblation during the remaining 7 years of the 70th week?

Jesus caused the sacrifices to cease to mean a thing to God, at the cross and resurrection. That happened "after" the 69th week "in the midst" of the 70th week, just as Daniel stated. There's no prophecy with a time gap. The 70th week deals with the cross, not the destruction of the temple. The temple was made desolate until it was destroyed (the consumation).

And He shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week He shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations He shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.
(Dan 9:27)

[thedee]

So, I'm curious as to how premils would try to reconcile their view if they see it as speaking of the literal end of sin.

Where are you quoting from?

[Oh2LookUponHim]

1. The work of atonement was finished by Jesus on the cross. Who is debating that?

2. If Messiah was cut off at the end of 69th week (as clearly stated in Daniel 9:26) around 30-33 AD and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD is the fulfillment of the 70th week, then there is a gap between the 69th and 70th week.

3. Just because something isn't acceptable to God doesn't mean that people don't go right ahead and do it anyway.

[John146]

Where are you quoting from?

I was referring to Daniel 9:24 where it says "to make an end of sins". What is your understanding of the fulfillment of that part of the prophecy?

[John146]

2. If Messiah was cut off at the end of 69th week (as clearly stated in Daniel 9:26) around 30-33 AD and the destruction of the temple in 70 AD is the fulfillment of the 70th week, then there is a gap between the 69th and 70th week.

It doesn't say the Messiah would be cut off at the end of the 69th week, it says He would be cut off after the 69th week.

Daniel 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

It seems clear to me that since He would be cut off after the 69th week that means He was going to be cut off in the midst of the 70th week. Also, it doesn't say that the destruction of the city and the temple had to occur during the 70 weeks. The only things it specifically says would be fulfilled by the end of the 70 weeks are mentioned in Daniel 9:24 as well as the confirming of the covenant during the 70th week and the ceasing of the sacrifices and offerings.

[Oh2LookUponHim]

Jesus caused the sacrifices to cease to mean a thing to God, at the cross and resurrection. That happened "after" the 69th week "in the midst" of the 70th week, just as Daniel stated. There's no prophecy with a time gap. The 70th week deals with the cross, not the destruction of the temple. The temple was made desolate until it was destroyed (the consumation).

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that Jesus ministry begins at the start of the 70th week (vs. 27). That would place it after the 69 weeks (vs. 26) but before he was cut off (vs 26). Then at the beginning of His ministry and the 70th week He confirmed, not the everlasting covenant but a one week (7 year) covenant with many (vs. 27). Then in the midst of the week, 3 1/2 years from the start, he died, and spiritually stripped away the meaningfulness of the temple sacrifices (vs. 27) to God . Then 40 years later some people of a prince to come (vs. 26) actually destroyed the temple in 70 AD.

If that is what you are saying. I have a couple of questions. What was the one week (7 year) covenant that Jesus made? With whom did he make it? How did he continue to abide by the covenant for the remaining second half of the week? When did the covenant end and what marked its' end?

Additionally, I'm wondering if Jesus' death occurs in the midst of the 70th week (at 69 1/2 weeks) and his death and resurrection completes the stated purpose of the 70 weeks recorded in vs. 24 to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy. , what is the last half of the 70th week for?

[John146]

24Seventy weeks are determined upon thy people and upon thy holy city, to finish the transgression, and to make an end of sins, and to make reconciliation for iniquity, and to bring in everlasting righteousness, and to seal up the vision and prophecy, and to anoint the most Holy.

25Know therefore and understand, that from the going forth of the commandment to restore and to build Jerusalem unto the Messiah the Prince shall be seven weeks, and threescore and two weeks: the street shall be built again, and the wall, even in troublous times.

26And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof shall be with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

27And he shall confirm the covenant with many for one week: and in the midst of the week he shall cause the sacrifice and the oblation to cease, and for the overspreading of abominations he shall make it desolate, even until the consummation, and that determined shall be poured upon the desolate.


If I am understanding you correctly, you are saying that Jesus ministry begins at the start of the 70th week (vs. 27). That would place it after the 69 weeks (vs. 26) but before he was cut off (vs 26). Then at the beginning of His ministry and the 70th week He confirmed, not the everlasting covenant but a one week (7 year) covenant with many (vs. 27). Then in the midst of the week, 3 1/2 years from the start, he died, and spiritually stripped away the meaningfulness of the temple sacrifices (vs. 27) to God . Then 40 years later some people of a prince to come (vs. 26) actually destroyed the temple in 70 AD.

If that is what you are saying. I have a couple of questions. What was the one week (7 year) covenant that Jesus made? With whom did he make it? How did he continue to abide by the covenant for the remaining second half of the week? When did the covenant end and what marked its' end?

You are assuming that the covenant lasts for a duration of one week, which most of us agree is a period of seven years. However, I don't believe it's saying that the covenant itself lasts for only seven years. The confirming of the covenant is for one week, not the duration of the covenant itself. I believe it's saying that He would confirm the covenant during the one week, which is the 70th week.

Jesus confirmed the everlasting new covenant with His blood and His once for all sacrifice and offering made all other sacrifices and offerings meaningless and I believe it is in that sense that sacrifices and offerings ceased in the midst of the 70th week. No more sacrifices and offerings needed to be made once Jesus made His once for all sacrifice and offering. I believe the confirming of the covenant continued at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit in power first unto the Jews. Once the gospel started going out in the power of the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles I believe the 70th week was finished at that point.

[BroRog]

You are assuming that the covenant lasts for a duration of one week, which most of us agree is a period of seven years. However, I don't believe it's saying that the covenant itself lasts for only seven years. The confirming of the covenant is for one week, not the duration of the covenant itself. I believe it's saying that He would confirm the covenant during the one week, which is the 70th week.

Jesus confirmed the everlasting new covenant with His blood and His once for all sacrifice and offering made all other sacrifices and offerings meaningless and I believe it is in that sense that sacrifices and offerings ceased in the midst of the 70th week. No more sacrifices and offerings needed to be made once Jesus made His once for all sacrifice and offering. I believe the confirming of the covenant continued at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit in power first unto the Jews. Once the gospel started going out in the power of the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles I believe the 70th week was finished at that point.

That is how I see it too. The covenant is confirmed for one week. The covenent itself lasts much longer.

[Oh2LookUponHim]

You are assuming that the covenant lasts for a duration of one week, which most of us agree is a period of seven years. However, I don't believe it's saying that the covenant itself lasts for only seven years. The confirming of the covenant is for one week, not the duration of the covenant itself. I believe it's saying that He would confirm the covenant during the one week, which is the 70th week.

Jesus confirmed the everlasting new covenant with His blood and His once for all sacrifice and offering made all other sacrifices and offerings meaningless and I believe it is in that sense that sacrifices and offerings ceased in the midst of the 70th week. No more sacrifices and offerings needed to be made once Jesus made His once for all sacrifice and offering. I believe the confirming of the covenant continued at Pentecost with the coming of the Holy Spirit in power first unto the Jews. Once the gospel started going out in the power of the Holy Spirit to the Gentiles I believe the 70th week was finished at that point.

Hi, Thanks for your response. I understand what you are saying about maybe it is the confirming that lasts for a week (7 years). But what exactly happened during the full seven years, not just half of it? It's that the prophecy in Daniel gives such accurate timing that makes it difficult. It seems to go in a straight sequence of events and yet vs 26 which talks about Messiah being cut off, then continues with the people who destroy the sanctuary and then vs 27 discusses the one remaining week and in the middle of that week the sacrifice is ceased. Some might say that vs 27 is a restatement of vs 26, but the sacrifices didn't really physically cease for many more years. So if the 'he' that causes the sacrifices to cease is Jesus, then we have to say that it is only the meaningfulness of the sacrifices that ceased in the 70 weeks. That is what I have a problem with.

Thanks for sharing your ideas so clearly. Definitely still pondering all this.