Be not be drunk with wine... wine thread.

[Pillar]

And your English version isn't!?!?! ANYTHING you can possibly say about the Greek version is only multiplied in the English version. I would LOVE to hear an argument that suggests how the English is somehow more accurate than the Greek. PLEASE, I really do what to hear it.

So would I. Especially since the old English language was just getting started to be developed and spoken around 1000 years AD.

[jandl]

That Jesus made alcoholic wine and that it was an accepted and sometime encouraged practice in the culture of Biblical times.

Haha, I'll have to answer that in a future post when I get back from work.

Who do you think wrote your Bible, clowns!?!!? You seriously need to read what you are saying.

Aside from Solomon and David, most writers of scripture were "UNLEARNED and IGNORANT men!" They weren't pious half-baked upstarts who were so full of their PHD'S and BA's that they couldn't rely SOLELY on the WISDOM that cometh from above, which is first pure. And YES, I AM sick of scholarship.

Losing something -OR- gaining something that was not there originally is equally as bad.

YOU don't know WHAT was there ORIGINALLY! A Greek text or manuscript is NOT the ORIGINAL article. Another reason why I hate scholarship: their LOOSE usage of the term "original." "NOT many wise...." hmmm.

I love (Ἔρως) my wife. I love (φιλέω) you. God loves (ἀγάπ) both of us. Is this all the same kind of love????

The Bible says for us men to LOVE our wives (there's one of your examples) as Christ also LOVED the church (there's another). WHY is that so hard to understand? Certainly nothing here to discredit the english and nothing worth getting your panties in a bind over either...lol!

And your English version isn't!?!?!

I don't believe so because it came through Syria, the Waldenses, and other true Christians who greatly VALUED the words of God. It comes from the Syrian line of Bibles. The new versions, resting on the scaffolding of scholarship, come from Alexandria, Egypt.

ANYTHING you can possibly say about the Greek version is only multiplied in the English version. I would LOVE to hear an argument that suggests how the English is somehow more accurate than the Greek. PLEASE, I really do what to hear it.

Haha, did I ruffle your feathers there? I love it...lol. I love to be a burr under the saddle of those who worship scholarship and believe everything their told. I would argue that the text of the King James Bible (the one I hold in my hand, NOT the "original" Kjv...lol, I don't mess with originals) is more accurate than ANY Greek text which is in agreement with Egyptian manuscripts. The KJV is in agreement with over 95% of the Greek texts and manuscripts. I would argue on the basis of the majority.

[Frecs]

did I just read what I think I read?

no, let's not let truth get in the way of dogma....

so much for the saying, "ignorance is bliss"....

[Firefighter]

Haha, did I ruffle your feathers there? I love it...lol. I love to be a burr under the saddle of those who worship scholarship and believe everything their told. I would argue that the text of the King James Bible (the one I hold in my hand, NOT the "original" Kjv...lol, I don't mess with originals) is more accurate than ANY Greek text which is in agreement with Egyptian manuscripts. The KJV is in agreement with over 95% of the Greek texts and manuscripts. I would argue on the basis of the majority.

Not at all Sir. It seems that you need to go back and research the history of your KJV Bible. Even the great King James had enough brains to commission 70 SCHOLARS to translate the Bible from the Latin.

[Firefighter]

Aside from Solomon and David, most writers of scripture were "UNLEARNED and IGNORANT men!" They weren't pious half-baked upstarts who were so full of their PHD'S and BA's that they couldn't rely SOLELY on the WISDOM that cometh from above, which is first pure. And YES, I AM sick of scholarship. YOU don't know WHAT was there ORIGINALLY! A Greek text or manuscript is NOT the ORIGINAL article. Another reason why I hate scholarship: their LOSE usage of the term "original." "NOT many wise...." hmmm.

What about the guy who wrote most of the NT!?!?! Paul was very well educated in the finest religious schools of his day. Luke was a doctor.

[Firefighter]

Nice tactic BTW. You cannot refute plain and obvious facts, so you decide to attack the Greek Texts. You have no come up with a single reasonable answer for any questions raised in the Greek. Not one.

[Vhayes]

Daniel from the Old Testament was brilliant.

Moses would have had the best possible education available to the Pharoah's adopted grandson.

God looks at hearts as well as brains. He can and does use those with extreme IQ's - on both ends of the spectrum.

[nzyr]

Not at all Sir. It seems that you need to go back and research the history of your KJV Bible. Even the great King James had enough brains to commission 70 SCHOLARS to translate the Bible from the Latin.

Mostly Hebrew and Greek was used for the source of King James version of the bible.

[notuptome]

Mostly Hebrew and Greek was used for the source of King James version of the bible.

Twas the catholics that translated it into the latin so nobody but them could read it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Servant89]

Eccles 9:7 Go thy way, eat thy bread with joy, and drink thy wine with a merry heart; for God now accepteth thy works.

Thank you Lord for the freedom, and thank you for the good of the land.

Shalom

[sheina maidle]

Not at all Sir. It seems that you need to go back and research the history of your KJV Bible. Even the great King James had enough brains to commission 70 SCHOLARS to translate the Bible from the Latin.

70 scholars? It is commonly reported that there were 54 translators selected to the translation but only 47 actually participated in the work. The KJV was translated from the Received Greek Text and Masoretic Hebrew Text...and also some of the KJV was translated from Latin...however, it was not the Latin Vulgate of the RCC.

[Vhayes]

The point is - they were SCHOLARS.

There is nthing wrong with a HUMBLE scholar. There is lots wrong with a "puffed up" simple man. Neither is about knowledge.

[Pillar]

Aside from Solomon and David, most writers of scripture were "UNLEARNED and IGNORANT men!" They weren't pious half-baked upstarts who were so full of their PHD'S and BA's that they couldn't rely SOLELY on the WISDOM that cometh from above, which is first pure. And YES, I AM sick of scholarship.

David was not very learned at all, but his royal scribe Shemaiah was. David created a good education for Solomon through hiring educated scribes for his kingdom that paid off later for Solomon his son during his rule. Solomon got highly educated from the scribes his father hired.

[Firefighter]

70 scholars? It is commonly reported that there were 54 translators selected to the translation but only 47 actually participated in the work. The KJV was translated from the Received Greek Text and Masoretic Hebrew Text...and also some of the KJV was translated from Latin...however, it was not the Latin Vulgate of the RCC.

You are correct. But you have to admit that 47 SCHOLARS is still a far cry away from 47 people that "rely SOLELY on the WISDOM that cometh from above" as our brother suggests.

[Br. Barnabas]

Twas the catholics that translated it into the latin so nobody but them could read it.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Wrong! When St Jerome translated the Greek and Hebrew into Latin it was so that everyone could read the Bible. Because most of the people in the Roman Empire at that time did not know Greek and no Roman, execept some Jews, knew Hebrew (but even then the majority of Jews did not know it either). For example even St Augustine did not know Greek every well and admits to it in his Confessions. Greek was alive and well in the Eastern part of the empire but was almost gone in the Western part. St Jerome is commissioned to translate the Bible into Latin so that the clergy and people could read it.

Granted the Roman Catholics did commit error when they left it in Latin long past it's usefullness. But even that did have some degree of understanding, since there was no common language in Europe in the Middle Ages, Latin was the common language of the church and all theologians wrote in Latin and could read it. So they knew what the others were saying.