Be not be drunk with wine... wine thread.

[Firefighter]

How can you possibly draw that conclusion? Perhaps it was good because it was fresh, wholesome, and without sin. It was doubtless made like the Saviour Who created it, with purity and holiness not seen in the world.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Circular logic that requires the presupposition that alcohol is a sin.

[notuptome]

Circular logic that requires the presupposition that alcohol is a sin.

Well Captain "O" Jesus would not nor could not contribute to sin in anothers life. Alcohol is not sin but drunkeness is and it requires alcohol to be acheived.

James says let no man say when he is tempted that he is tempted of God. James 1:13-16

If a person drinks alocholic beverages it is because he/she desires to do so not because God has tempted him/her to sin.

Better to have circular logic than no logic at all.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Frecs]

Better to have circular logic than no logic at all.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Priceless....

[Servant89]

There is nothing new under the sun (Ecc 1:9-10). The pharisees took the first (out of two) requirements for the priests, before going to minister in the Tabernacle, and taught that that requriement was for everyone all the time (See post # 59). Today's church is doing the same thing concerning the other requirement for the priest only, and only before going to the Tabernacle (total abstinence from sin).

Good luck with that !

Shalom

[notuptome]

There is nothing new under the sun (Ecc 1:9-10). The pharisees took the first (out of two) requirements for the priests, before going to minister in the Tabernacle, and taught that that requriement was for everyone all the time (See post # 59). Today's church is doing the same thing concerning the other requirement for the priest only, and only before going to the Tabernacle (total abstinence from sin).

Good luck with that !

Shalom

NT Christians are believer preists, yes? 1 Pet 2:9 The realm of ministry for the believer preist is the whole world. Perhaps it is not so unreasonable to expect a good example from those who name the name of Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[embankmentlb]

I think there was a fellow named Jesus who was the high priest of high priests. He both drank and served alcohol to his people. Facts are Facts.

[notuptome]

I think there was a fellow named Jesus who was the high priest of high priests. He both drank and served alcohol to his people. Facts are Facts.

I should have thought that Jesus being a preist forever after the order of Melchizedek Heb 5:6 would have precluded the Anointed from alcohol. Silly me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Frecs]

I should have thought that Jesus being a preist forever after the order of Melchizedek Heb 5:6 would have precluded the Anointed from alcohol. Silly me.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

Why? Scripture please.

[notuptome]

Why? Scripture please.

Lev 10:9 Aaron and his sons were to drink no wine or strong drink when they went into the tabernacle. Christ being an eternal preist is continually ministering before the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Frecs]

Lev 10:9 Aaron and his sons were to drink no wine or strong drink when they went into the tabernacle. Christ being an eternal preist is continually ministering before the Father.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

He is a priest forever. But, is he still continually ministering? Isn't his work done? Is he not sitting rather than standing to work?

[notuptome]

He is a priest forever. But, is he still continually ministering? Isn't his work done? Is he not sitting rather than standing to work?

Christ is interceding for us before the Father. We sin and He intercedes on our behalf. Heb 7:25, 1 John 2:1

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[Frecs]

Christ is interceding for us before the Father. We sin and He intercedes on our behalf. Heb 7:25, 1 John 2:1

For the cause of Christ
Roger

So, his job isn't done? He isn't sitting but standing and working constantly as the priests of old? Seriously? You might want to reconsider that...

When was a priest not to drink wine? Always? or when they were in the Holy of Holies? What did they do in the Holy of Holies?

Gen 14:18 And Melchizedek king of Salem brought forth bread and wine: and he [was] the priest of the most high God.
Eze 44:21 Neither shall any priest drink wine, when they enter into the inner court.
Mat 11:19 The Son of Man came eating and drinking, and they say, 'Here is a glutton and a drunkard, a friend of tax collectors and "sinners." ' But wisdom is proved right by her actions." (If you say he was drinking juice, how was he called a drunkard? Perhaps he wasn't eating either since they called him a glutton.)

[MaryFreeman]

Forgive me if I repeat someone as I'm behind. Fermentation works the same way today as it did "back then" so wine back then is just as fermented as wine today. Yeasts feed on the sugars in the juice so the more sugar, the more alcohol that will result. There is likely a difference in the amount of sugars available in different grapes. I don't know that wine producers today "pump up" the alcohol of wine because by law (in the US anyway) wine can not exceed a certain percentage. Obviously, the length of time the wine is allowed to ferment will have some affect on alcohol but only to a certain point as there is a limited amount of sugars to feed off of.

In short, I don't see merit in the notion that the wine of Biblical times was less alcoholic than wine today.

I don't know how that works either? The scientist who wrote the book was saying that the alcoholic content of wine and other beverages is different.... And fermaldahyde and other chemicals added give it more of a whomp than back in ancient days.... In short there were no additives in ancient wine and there are today.... Which makes todays wine much more intoxicating much quicker.... I will have to find the book and type in an excerpt....

[kay-gee]

Frecs you confuse me sometimes. Are you suggesting Christ was a drunkard?

It is more like a false accusation by people who were clamoring at anything to dis-credit Him.

Have you ever had people say things about you that were not true?

all the best...

[MaryFreeman]

Question for yall. Would anyone here rest "easy" knowing that your pilot just enjoyed a glass of wine before stepping into the cockpit?

all the best...

About as easy as knowing a bear was in my backpack right outside my tent.... Seriously!

What does this have to do with whether or not drinking wine is a sin???