Does the little horn/false prophet reign over a kingdom or the world?

[seeker_truth]

Response from those who believe in an end time scenario:

Will the little horn of Daniel/ the false prophet of Revelation reign over the world or a kingdom of ten nations?

IMO, he will reign over 10 Arab nations, in the Middle East, not the world.

[DurbanDude]

The fourth empire devours the whole earth, and only then the ten horns arise. Horns are often divisions of empires, so if ten horns arise from an empire that has already devoured the earth, I interpret this as ten regions of earth. The little horn will reign over 3 tenths of earth directly, but will reign over the whole earth because even the other 7 will give him their power, this little country will rule the whole earth.

7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The ten toes at the end of the Daniel statue timeline, the ten horns at the end of the 4th kingdom of Daniel 7, and the ten horns of Rev 17 which only appear for a short end-times period to give the beast power, are all indicators that these ten regions will only be established at the end period of this age. I personally believe we have only seen one of these ten arise so far, the EU, 9 more will still arise.

[RogerW]

Response from those who believe in an end time scenario:

Will the little horn of Daniel/ the false prophet of Revelation reign over the world or a kingdom of ten nations?

IMO, he will reign over 10 Arab nations, in the Middle East, not the world.

Daniel interprets the dream for Nebuchadnezzar. A fourth kingdom will be established upon the whole earth. This kingdom will be partly strong and partly broken. This is the kingdom that God of heaven sets up, which will never be completely destroyed. This kingdom will destroy every other kingdom, but His Kingdom will stand forever. This kingdom is the stone cut out of the mountain without hands. If this is not a description of the universal church that Christ established with His coming, I don’t know what it is. The Kingdom of God through the universal church on earth is not the church victorious that she shall one day be, but she is the militant church on earth, in time, fighting to bring all the saints of God into His eternal Kingdom through the proclamation of the gospel.

Da*2:39 And after thee shall arise another kingdom inferior to thee, and another third kingdom of brass, which shall bear rule over all the earth.
Da*2:40 And the fourth kingdom shall be strong as iron: forasmuch as iron breaketh in pieces and subdueth all things: and as iron that breaketh all these, shall it break in pieces and bruise.
Da*2:41 And whereas thou sawest the feet and toes, part of potters' clay, and part of iron, the kingdom shall be divided; but there shall be in it of the strength of the iron, forasmuch as thou sawest the iron mixed with miry clay.
Da*2:42 And as the toes of the feet were part of iron, and part of clay, so the kingdom shall be partly strong, and partly broken.
Da*2:43 And whereas thou sawest iron mixed with miry clay, they shall mingle themselves with the seed of men: but they shall not cleave one to another, even as iron is not mixed with clay.
Da*2:44 And in the days of these kings shall the God of heaven set up a kingdom, which shall never be destroyed: and the kingdom shall not be left to other people, but it shall break in pieces and consume all these kingdoms, and it shall stand for ever.
Da*2:45 Forasmuch as thou sawest that the stone was cut out of the mountain without hands, and that it brake in pieces the iron, the brass, the clay, the silver, and the gold; the great God hath made known to the king what shall come to pass hereafter: and the dream is certain, and the interpretation thereof sure.

Daniel dreams of the fourth beast that has great power and speaks great things, until the Ancient of days comes in the Judgment, the beast is destroyed and his body is given to the burning flames. But the lives of the rest of the beast who follow him are prolonged for a season and time. This too is depicting what comes to pass throughout the whole New Covenant era in Christ, since His Kingdom was established on earth when He defeated sin and death.

Da*7:7 After this I saw in the night visions, and behold a fourth beast, dreadful and terrible, and strong exceedingly; and it had great iron teeth: it devoured and brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with the feet of it: and it was diverse from all the beasts that were before it; and it had ten horns.
Da*7:8 I considered the horns, and, behold, there came up among them another little horn, before whom there were three of the first horns plucked up by the roots: and, behold, in this horn were eyes like the eyes of man, and a mouth speaking great things.
Da*7:9 I beheld till the thrones were cast down, and the Ancient of days did sit, whose garment was white as snow, and the hair of his head like the pure wool: his throne was like the fiery flame, and his wheels as burning fire.
Da*7:10 A fiery stream issued and came forth from before him: thousand thousands ministered unto him, and ten thousand times ten thousand stood before him: the judgment was set, and the books were opened.
Da*7:11 I beheld then because of the voice of the great words which the horn spake: I beheld even till the beast was slain, and his body destroyed, and given to the burning flame.
Da*7:12 As concerning the rest of the beasts, they had their dominion taken away: yet their lives were prolonged for a season and time.

Daniel has another dream when he sees Christ ascending to the ancient of days with the clouds of heaven. I don’t believe this is a continuation of the previous dream, but an altogether different vision of the night. After ascending to heaven Christ after His resurrection He is given dominion, glory and a Kingdom, (the same Kingdom Nebuchadnezzar dreamed of) that all people will serve Him and His dominion is forever, shall not pass away and will not be destroyed.

Da*7:13 I saw in the night visions, and, behold, one like the Son of man came with the clouds of heaven, and came to the Ancient of days, and they brought him near before him.
Da*7:14 And there was given him dominion, and glory, and a kingdom, that all people, nations, and languages, should serve him: his dominion is an everlasting dominion, which shall not pass away, and his kingdom that which shall not be destroyed.
Da*7:15 I Daniel was grieved in my spirit in the midst of my body, and the visions of my head troubled me.

Daniel is made to understand his dream. During the time when Christ is given an everlasting Kingdom (the whole New Covenant era), nations will rise against nations, and kingdoms against kingdoms. So too Satanic forces, spiritual wickedness will come against the Kingdom of Christ. But since His Kingdom is everlasting and will not be destroyed, His saints will take, and possess it forever and ever without fail. But not without great spiritual warfare.

Da*7:16 I came near unto one of them that stood by, and asked him the truth of all this. So he told me, and made me know the interpretation of the things.
Da*7:17 These great beasts, which are four, are four kings, which shall arise out of the earth.
Da*7:18 But the saints of the most High shall take the kingdom, and possess the kingdom for ever, even for ever and ever.

Daniel is told what will come to pass during the time of the fourth beast/kingdom, during the same time of Christ‘s everlasting Kingdom. Great evil will come against the building of the Kingdom of Christ, like nothing else in all of human history. The devil will come against the saints of God and he will prevail against them by causing them to doubt Christ, and making them suffer through severe hardship and persecution. But even though he prevails for a time against them, they are secure in Christ’s Kingdom, because His Kingdom is everlasting, and all who enter already have everlasting life in Him. This force of wickedness and evil will come upon the whole earth, and many will speak against God and His everlasting Kingdom. Satan and his ministers will be permitted by God to wear out the saints, and they will be given into his hand for a time. But the Judgment is sure, evil will not prevail and finally the saints of God will fully possess the everlasting Kingdom wherein dwells only righteousness, where the grave, death and evil are no more.

Da*7:19 Then I would know the truth of the fourth beast, which was diverse from all the others, exceeding dreadful, whose teeth were of iron, and his nails of brass; which devoured, brake in pieces, and stamped the residue with his feet;
Da*7:20 And of the ten horns that were in his head, and of the other which came up, and before whom three fell; even of that horn that had eyes, and a mouth that spake very great things, whose look was more stout than his fellows.
Da*7:21 I beheld, and the same horn made war with the saints, and prevailed against them;
Da*7:22 Until the Ancient of days came, and judgment was given to the saints of the most High; and the time came that the saints possessed the kingdom.
Da*7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
Da*7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.
Da*7:25 And he shall speak great words against the most High, and shall wear out the saints of the most High, and think to change times and laws: and they shall be given into his hand until a time and times and the dividing of time.
Da*7:26 But the judgment shall sit, and they shall take away his dominion, to consume and to destroy it unto the end.
Da*7:27 And the kingdom and dominion, and the greatness of the kingdom under the whole heaven, shall be given to the people of the saints of the most High, whose kingdom is an everlasting kingdom, and all dominions shall serve and obey him.
Da*7:28 Hitherto is the end of the matter. As for me Daniel, my cogitations much troubled me, and my countenance changed in me: but I kept the matter in my heart.

[Beckrl]

Da*7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.

Since the fourth kingdom was Rome of the first century, then that would conclude that the "whole earth" would consist of the world as they knew it to be.

Response from those who believe in an end time scenario:

Sorry I don't catch that until I had responsed already.

[seeker_truth]

The fourth empire devours the whole earth, and only then the ten horns arise. Horns are often divisions of empires, so iften horns arise from an empire that has already devoured the earth, I interpret this as ten regions of earth.

7:23 Thus he said, The fourth beast shall be the fourth kingdom upon earth, which shall be diverse from all kingdoms, and shall devour the whole earth, and shall tread it down, and break it in pieces.
7:24 And the ten horns out of this kingdom are ten kings that shall arise: and another shall rise after them; and he shall be diverse from the first, and he shall subdue three kings.

The ten toes at the end of the Daniel statue timeline, the ten horns at the end of the 4th kingdom of Daniel 7, and the ten horns of Rev 17 which only appear for a short end-times period to give the beast power, are all indicators that these ten regions will only be established at the end period of this age. I personally believe we have only seen one of these ten arise so far, the EU, 9 more will still arise.

Have you always believed that the EU is one of nine regions represented by the ten toes/Daniel, ten horns/Revelation?

[DurbanDude]

Have you always believed that the EU is one of nine regions represented by the ten toes/Daniel, ten horns/Revelation?

Yes I have, (one of the ten regions), you can checkout my posts from years back.

[seeker_truth]

Since the fourth kingdom was Rome of the first century, then that would conclude that the "whole earth" would consist of the world as they knew it to be.



Sorry I don't catch that until I had responsed already.

That's fine..Not a problem..
Actually, there was one vast region of the known world that Roman of the 1st century never ruled, the Parthian Empire..