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[MoreMercy]

Thank you DaniHansen and Diggindeeper

I am still not sure if I can swing my first visit to that church tomorrow yet, probably not, but who knows. I want to and am eager to see what is there. But, if not I have plenty of time to make sure that I will be there and on time next Sunday.

Diggindeeper I have a special thanks going to you for your brutal honestly, I admire that attribute in Father's creatures and I actually describe it as a blessing to myself when I receive it, it has been a blessing in my history anyway.

Thank you both for your beautiful compassion to your fellows.
Father blesses.

[MoreMercy]

Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves

Hi amazzin

I still am not sure of your meaning yet, I looked at and read the chapter where that verse is and from its context the only reply that I can think to give in context is:
Luk 13:32 And he said unto them, Go ye, and tell that fox, Behold, I cast out devils, and I do cures to day and to morrow, and the third [day] I shall be perfected.

Father bless.

[Adstars]

Mod's feel free to move this post to an appropriate board if the content does not fit here.

I am posting all of this to be examined by my fellows, I am in no way trying to teach or enlighten anyone by posting this.
It is a true story, my posted feelings and opinions are real and honest, and I really want to be examined and shared with by my fellows on this topic here.


I abide as a non-denominational "Christian" but I feel more comfort now identifying myself as a "believer and follower of Christ"
I aim to explain that emphasis as I post.

I was at a Doctor's office yesterday morning, a Chiropractor.
The Doctor's desk clerk is the Doctor's Mother. This had been only my second appointment to this Doctor, additionally in the former appointment the chiropractor did his adjustments to my lower back, when I left I sensed 70 to 80% better than when I came in... I was alleviated of very much of my discomfort.
Therefore, the following morning I sang praises to the desk clerk who I knew before hand was the Doctor's Mother, and there was only her and I in the waiting room. Then I blurted out that I was grateful to have came to this Doctor and that I would be mentioning my gratitude to my Father in prayer.
She received it admirably and lite up delightfully and a few moments later as I was seated waiting for the doctor to call me in, she explored: Oh which church do you gather to ?
I was stumped as to what to answer her.
On account of I do not attend a local church, so I told her: well the last church I gathered to was _______, it is my sister's church and I attended it for a brief time as her and her husbands guest.
She took that convenience to invite me to her local church, local to me also since the Doctors office is in my town. She gave me the directions to it and the denomination, and noted that She has switched denominations numerous times until she felt satisfied where she abides now.
I was stumped again as to what to answer with, so I said thank you and yes I am familiar with this region and I will or may check your suggestion out, and thanked her.

I am not at ease attending any modern/contemporary church for two reasons:

I was raised as a protestant by my parents before I even knew what a protestant was, I am still more comfortable in a church certain denomination of ________. But, I will not attend one (note) I did not discuss this with the desk clerk but am revealing it here for a reason.
If I would have told the nice woman at the desk that I am a _______ denomination "Christian" and attend this denomination then I would to me anyway have been demonstrating my self as affirming that I go here to this denomination due to the disaffiliated denominations are not as suitable or scriptural or do not correspond to my individual theologies as the denomination that I prefer to attend. I do not want to display myself in that way but am prompted to due to of the reality that we put those denominational designations prefixed or suffixed to the word church.
I endure stumped again.

The other reason is: from what I have realized from the new testament letters and writings that our first churches the apostles established, those churches authorized their own local deacons and elders, and could locally un-appoint them if the apostles directives of rebuke were followed with no resolve when or if that local churches shepherd did not shepherd well.
Where as today if a preacher, father, priest, deacon or elder does not shepherd well then the denominational corporate HQ will affirm or un-appoint said shepherd.
Additionally, if the appointed shepherd does not teach the denominational creed NOT the bible but the denominational creed then again corporate HQ un-appoints said shepherd. That is the second reason I am not comfortable attending any modern/contemporary church.

I am posting all this to be analyzed or examined by my fellows, I am in no way attempting to teach enlighten anyone by posting this.
It is a true story, my posted feelings and opinions are real, and I really want to be examined and shared with by my fellows on this topic.
I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT. but do not want a corporate HQ over my church I want Christ alone over my church and His light and truth in the bible alone to be my churches HQ.

I feel more comfortable in a small group of believers and followers of Christ gathering together to seek Him than I will ever feel in a corporate church, by saying that I hope not to offend anyone who does but I desire them to share with me anything that might encourage or discourage me to practice my current feelings on this topic.

Thank you for your time
And Father bless us all with His mercy.

Hello MoreMercy

To my mind you have given two dimerticly opposing views in this post.

You state:
"I was raised as a protestant by my parents before I even knew what a protestant was, I am still more comfortable in a church certain denomination of ________. But, I will not attend one"

But then at the end you state with caps:

"I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT"

Now... Seeing that the denomination you mention first (but did not actually reveal) is one of the DENOMINATIONS of the Church you stated you have LOVE for.

Why would you refuse to attend a denomination that you Love????

I can only come to the conclusion that you do not love the denomination you firmly state your will is, Not to attend. I can only deduce that there is something in that denomination that you disagree with. Therefore you cannot Love it.

So could you clear this up for me?

Thanks.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[Adstars]

Thank you, moonglow and DaniHansen

Yes, I agree and thank you both.
But when I am asked again and I will be asked again and again and again: Oh, what church do you go to ?

I do not want to be stumped again.

Why should you be stumped? Just tell that person your situation. That you do not attend that type of church but you have fellowship at (insert your answer)

Simple.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[MoreMercy]

Hello MoreMercy

To my mind you have given two dimerticly opposing views in this post.

You state:
"I was raised as a protestant by my parents before I even knew what a protestant was, I am still more comfortable in a church certain denomination of ________. But, I will not attend one"

But then at the end you state with caps:

"I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT"

Now... Seeing that the denomination you mention first (but did not actually reveal) is one of the DENOMINATIONS of the Church you stated you have LOVE for.

Why would you refuse to attend a denomination that you Love????

I can only come to the conclusion that you do not love the denomination you firmly state your will is, Not to attend. I can only deduce that there is something in that denomination that you disagree with. Therefore you cannot Love it.

So could you clear this up for me?

Thanks.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Howdy

To be quite honest Adstars besides you pointing out that I am human, could you be more clearer for me, please ?
BTW, way to many question marks for just two post here.

Thanks, and Father bless.

[TomH]

To me, there are two points of view when looking for a church to attend.
First, and what most people seek, is what you are going to receive from this church. What am i going to take away from the teachings of sermons, and bible studies.

But the second reason, and just as important, but usually overlooked is,
What can you give to this church to help it grow.

We all have gifts to offer, and so much of the time, when we are searching for that "right" church, we overlook the obvious.

"Does this church need me?"

When you visit this new church, please keep that second thought in the back of your mind and look for your special niche that may be there. That empty spot that is reserved for you may become a little more obvious.

[MoreMercy]

To me, there are two points of view when looking for a church to attend.
First, and what most people seek, is what you are going to receive from this church. What am i going to take away from the teachings of sermons, and bible studies.

But the second reason, and just as important, but usually overlooked is,
What can you give to this church to help it grow.

We all have gifts to offer, and so much of the time, when we are searching for that "right" church, we overlook the obvious.

"Does this church need me?"

When you visit this new church, please keep that second thought in the back of your mind and look for your special niche that may be there. That empty spot that is reserved for you may become a little more obvious.

Thank you TomH that will be one of my considerations in choosing a church/gathering, what I can offer or do they need me. If I can offer something there or if they need me, then I will stay put.
I also hope I can determine that in the first few visits, but honestly even if I do not see a need for me yet, as long as I am being fed His truth and light straight from His word by Him through my fellows there then I will probably stay until Father moves me in a new direction.

Thank you again for your continued advice and examination of my need.
Father bless you more and more.

[Adstars]

Howdy

To be quite honest Adstars besides you pointing out that I am human, could you be more clearer for me, please ?
BTW, way to many question marks for just two post here.

Thanks, and Father bless.

When i placed 4 question marks in a row it was my way of expressing atonishment at the gulf between the two statements. that i was comparing.

As for the question in that post i really don't know how to ask the question more simply. sorry.

You cannot Love a demonination and at the same time refuse to attend it. It just does not add up.


All Praise The Ancient of Days

[MoreMercy]

Hello MoreMercy

To my mind you have given two dimerticly opposing views in this post.

You state:
"I was raised as a protestant by my parents before I even knew what a protestant was, I am still more comfortable in a church certain denomination of ________. But, I will not attend one"

But then at the end you state with caps:

"I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT"

Now... Seeing that the denomination you mention first (but did not actually reveal) is one of the DENOMINATIONS of the Church you stated you have LOVE for.

Why would you refuse to attend a denomination that you Love????I can only come to the conclusion that you do not love the denomination you firmly state your will is, Not to attend. I can only deduce that there is something in that denomination that you disagree with. Therefore you cannot Love it.

So could you clear this up for me?

Thanks.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Why should you be stumped? Just tell that person your situation. That you do not attend that type of church but you have fellowship at (insert your answer)

Simple.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

When i placed 4 question marks in a row it was my way of expressing atonishment at the gulf between the two statements. that i was comparing.
As for the question in that post i really don't know how to ask the question more simply. sorry.

You cannot Love a demonination and at the same time refuse to attend it. It just does not add up.


All Praise The Ancient of Days

Hi again Adstars

Ok, I think that clears up for me.
Thank you, for allowing me to clarify things so they will: as you say "add up" for you.





But, I think you misread or misquote me, I said:

I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT. but do not want a corporate HQ over my church I want Christ alone over my church and His light and truth in the bible alone to be my churches HQ.
I feel more comfortable in a small group of believers and followers of Christ gathering together to seek Him than I will ever feel in a corporate church, by saying that I hope not to offend anyone who does but I desire them to share with me anything that might encourage or discourage me to practice my current feelings on this topic.

Meaning, That I love the church as a whole every denomination in it.
You see, you did not follow the subject of that statement.
The subject is the 'my love of the church' in that statement of mine, the article is 'denomination's HQs' in the church.

Just as God says in His word that: He loves the sinner but hates sin.
'Sinners' being the subject in God's statement and 'sin' being the article of God's statement in the context of love/hate.

Keeping the subject, and the article in context, when you read, will help you in the future.





Now, for as why I was stumped, or why I do not want to be stumped or do not like being stumped when I am asked the question:
Oh. what church do you go to ?
The subject is 'stumped' but this time you missed the article instead of the subject, the article is the 'question':
(Oh what church do you go to ?)

And you also took the subject out of the context of the example I gave that lead to the article the 'question'
This is the context of the subject and of the article is:

I was at a Doctor's office yesterday morning, a Chiropractor.
The Doctor's desk clerk is the Doctor's Mother. This had been only my second appointment to this Doctor, additionally in the former appointment the chiropractor did his adjustments to my lower back, when I left I sensed 70 to 80% better than when I came in... I was alleviated of very much of my discomfort.
Therefore, the following morning I sang praises to the desk clerk who I knew before hand was the Doctor's Mother, and there was only her and I in the waiting room. Then I blurted out that I was grateful to have came to this Doctor and that I would be mentioning my gratitude to my Father in prayer.
She received it admirably and lite up delightfully and a few moments later as I was seated waiting for the doctor to call me in, she explored: Oh which church do you gather to ?
I was stumped as to what to answer her. On account of I do not attend a local church, so I told her: well the last church I gathered to was _______, it is my sister's church and I attended it for a brief time as her and her husbands guest.
She took that convenience to invite me to her local church, local to me also since the Doctors office is in my town. She gave me the directions to it and the denomination, and noted that She has switched denominations numerous times until she felt satisfied where she abides now.
I was stumped again as to what to answer her...

Now, as to you thinking I have "given two diametrically opposing views in my post." You have misread or misquoted me also again.
I said I feel 'more comfortable' in this denomination, I did not say I "love" this denomination.

The subject is 'I was raised in _____ denomination by my parents'
The article is 'I feel more comfortable in that denomination'
So, I did not "give two diametrically opposing views in my post" as you assume. It was in contrast to the context of the statement of: "I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT"

Now if that does not clear things up for you so you wont need all of the question marks next time you have a question or comment on someone's post or thread. Then read the OP again but this time follow the subject and find the article and keep them in context of what was being said, and you should be able to not need all the question marks in a question or comment on any statements in any post or thread you read and want to comment on or have a question on.


I hope that all add up for you now ? <--- (note) I only needed one question mark in this post.

Thank you and Father bless.

[Adstars]

I may misread posts for i am human. But i go out of my way Never to misquote anyone. So if you see where i have misquoted you. And if a moderator or other poster see's where i misquoted you. I ask them now to come forward and point out the quote that is false.

Your statement

But, I think you misread or misquote me, I said:

Leaves open in the minds of others that i may be guilty of misquoting you. I want this either solidly confirmed or retracted in no uncertain terms.

Secondly i take part in threads where people are asking for help out of a love and concern for the one seeking an answer. I need to understand what help that person is looking for. If that takes a few question to clarity things then i don't think the one seeking help should come back at me in the way you have.

As for your needs, i still am uncertain. But i will let it go now. If you are offended by questions then so be it. Please let me know if you don't want me replying to any of your help asking threads in future.


All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[MoreMercy]

Your statement
Leaves open in the minds of others that i may be guilty of misquoting you. I want this either solidly confirmed or retracted in no uncertain terms.

Hello again Adstars

Here are your misquotes of my communication in bold red underlined below:

To my mind you have given two dimerticly opposing views in this post.
You state:
"I was raised as a protestant by my parents before I even knew what a protestant was, I am still more comfortable in a church certain denomination of ________. But, I will not attend one"

But then at the end you state with caps:
"I LOVE THE CHURCH, ALL OF IT, EVERY DENOMINATION OF IT"

Now... Seeing that the denomination you mention first (but did not actually reveal) is one of the DENOMINATIONS of the Church you stated you have LOVE for.

Why would you refuse to attend a denomination that you Love????I can only come to the conclusion that you do not love the denomination you firmly state your will is, Not to attend. I can only deduce that there is something in that denomination that you disagree with. Therefore you cannot Love it.

You cannot Love a demonination and at the same time refuse to attend it. It just does not add up.

And here is where I try to help you by showing you where and why you misundertand, which causes you to misquote:
http://bibleforums.org/showthread.ph...75#post2529275

Hi again Adstars
Read the OP again but this time follow the subject and find the article and keep them in context of what was being said
Thank you and Father bless.

Secondly i take part in threads where people are asking for help out of a love and concern for the one seeking an answer. I need to understand what help that person is looking for. If that takes a few question to clarity things then i don't think the one seeking help should come back at me in the way you have.

As for your needs, i still am uncertain. But i will let it go now. If you are offended by questions then so be it. Please let me know if you don't want me replying to any of your help asking threads in future.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

I have not been proactive with you, I have and still am reactive with you.
So, to answer your question:"if I want you replying to any of my help asking threads in future"I will leave this upto you.

And I will leave you with these suggestions also:
When or if you have an entent to help someone at there request here, I would if I were you take it easy with the:
"????'s"
And also, try to tone-down statements like this:
"expressing atonishment at the gulf between your two statements"
And, my final suggestion: When reading any post, find the subject then the article in the reading, then keep them in context of what was being posted, and you will not misunderstand what was read in any post.

His peace to you, and Father bless.

[Adstars]

I am greatly offended. I did not misquote you. All quotes i made of you are in quote boxes. Your example of my quoting did not have any quote marks around it nor was it within a quote box. You can say i was misreading but you cannot claim i was misquoting. Thats offensive to me and an injustice.

And this statement

"expressing atonishment at the gulf between your two statements" Was a truthful revealing of what i thought. You want people to be dishonest in their replies? Do you want to be lied too.

You chose to take offense and you ran With it. Where no offense was intended. Injustic upon injustice.

May you be forgiven.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

[MoreMercy]

I am greatly offended. I did not misquote you. All quotes i made of you are in quote boxes. Your example of my quoting did not have any quote marks around it nor was it within a quote box. You can say i was misreading but you cannot claim i was misquoting. Thats offensive to me and an injustice.

And this statement

"expressing atonishment at the gulf between your two statements" Was a truthful revealing of what i thought. You want people to be dishonest in their replies? Do you want to be lied too.

You chose to take offense and you ran With it. Where no offense was intended. Injustic upon injustice.

May you be forgiven.

All Praise The Ancient Of Days

Maybe try to read my original post again in context and observe the subjects and articles between each period and or commas in each sentence.
Because everyone else who posted to me on this thread beside yourself, seem to have understood when they read and they replied to me in context to what I had posted.


I will not respond to your same points for the fourth time now...
The only thing left that I have to communicate to you now, is:




His peace to you.