If we therefore have the same scripture to follow, would we not all have the same expectaions?Originally Posted by Servant89
Firstfruits
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
If we therefore have the same scripture to follow, would we not all have the same expectaions?
Firstfruits
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We should. Do you believe Babylon the great will kill Christians? I do and you do. We both believe that. But I believe it already did it, you believe it will happen in the future. But the expectations are the same, I think.
Shalom
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Antichrists have been killing christians throughout history, but at this time the world has not been told that we can only worship one man or else we will die.
Rev 13:15 And he had power to give life unto the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed.
Firstfruits
Coffee Break
That does not bother me. Even though there is plenty of evidence during the dark ages for that. Read Foxes Book of Martyrs.
But that is the same reason why Fenris does not believe in Christ. He keeps saying, this and that did not happen. So, we should be more understanding of Fenris, after all, he is using the same approach to reject fulfillment of prophecy. What makes his approach wrong, and our approach right?
Shalom
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
We either choose to believe the report or we do not. Not all will believe.
Firstfruits
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The report of historical events matching prophecy... right?
Lk 7:22 Then Jesus answering said unto them, Go your way, and tell John what things ye have seen and heard; how that the blind see, the lame walk, the lepers are cleansed, the deaf hear, the dead are raised, to the poor the gospel is preached.
Shalom
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
I believe the scripture given shows that what happened was not a random, it was according to the scriptures. There should be no doubt, just as when the final antichrist is revealed there will be no doubt to those who believe.
God bless you!
Firstfruits
Coffee Break
God bless you too man. I pray the Holy Spirit will cover you and your family and intensify your desire to meet him even more.
Peace
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Thank you,
Firstfruits
Coffee Break
Firstfruits, I want to tell you, I now have serious doubts that the first 3 trumpets sounded already. Just so you know,
I went down the Shennandoah river with clear water (could see the bottom on calm waters for 5 hours down the river and I saw not one fish). We were told that river was famous for the fishing but all the fish are gone now, no explanation has been found. Similar stories about the fish in the sea and so forth caused me to believe those three trumpets might had happend already. But there is more than just missing fish on those trumpets. Anyway, I am moving closer to you now in understanding... Happy New Year. Hee Haw !
Shalom
Love edifies
Very well done 89.
Coffee Break
Thank you !
In spite of me, something of value apparently came out.
Shalom
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Response to the OP:
The events of the 7th trumpet of Revelation have no reference to any resurrection .... it is a judgment trumpet and hearlds the Lord's turning on satan's beast and his followers [Revelation 16]
The last trumpet recorded in Matthew 24:29-31 is related to the gathering of the believing mortal elect of Israel who will survive the coming tribulation period .... this is not a resurrection and these will enter and populate [reproduce in] His coming millennial kingdom on the earth [Isaiah 11:11-12; 27;31; Matthew 24:29-31]
None of the above trumpet soundings are for His church
The first of these is found in Revelation 1:10 .... and the last is found in 1Corinthians 15:52
The first was the Lord's message and evaluation of the church given in the first century .... this period is still progressing
The second will occur just before His coming judgment and it will sound when the fullness of the gentiles has been added to the church [Romans 11:25-36]
His voice sounds like the voice of an archangel and a musical trumpet
Living believers of His church will hear Him and will be immortalized just before His coming judgment ..... then He will pressure Israel to turn to Him and a remnant part will do this during the tribulation period .... these will survive the tribulation period and will be gathered to inhabit His coming millennial kingdom on the earth .... as mortals
Stephen
2Peter
1:19 We have also a more sure word of prophecy; whereunto ye do well that ye take heed, as unto a light that shineth in a dark place, until the day dawn, and the day star arise in your hearts
Coffee Break
And of course it has to be like ... for the pre-tribulation rapture event to be possible (which I do not buy). Here are some facts:
2 Pet 1:20 Knowing this first, that no prophecy of the scripture is of any private interpretation.
That means, it is for the public, it does not belong to the Vatican, nor you. So, I am not going to tell you you are wrong, and you have to return the favor.
God said 4 times concerning interpretation of future prophecies.... let no man deceive you... I am going to do just that. Let God be true and every man a liar.
<<The last trumpet recorded in Matthew 24:29-31 is related to the gathering of the believing mortal elect of Israel who will survive the coming tribulation period .... this is not a resurrection>>
Interesting that you say that because Matthew said:
Mt 24:31 And he shall send his angels with a great sound of a trumpet, and they shall gather together his elect from the four winds, from one end of heaven to the other.
Ezek 37:3 And he said unto me, Son of man, can these bones live? And I answered, O Lord GOD, thou knowest.
4 Again he said unto me, Prophesy upon these bones, and say unto them, O ye dry bones, hear the word of the LORD.
5 Thus saith the Lord GOD unto these bones; Behold, I will cause breath to enter into you, and ye shall live:
6 And I will lay sinews upon you, and will bring up flesh upon you, and cover you with skin, and put breath in you, and ye shall live; and ye shall know that I am the LORD.
7 So I prophesied as I was commanded: and as I prophesied, there was a noise, and behold a shaking, and the bones came together, bone to his bone.
8 And when I beheld, lo, the sinews and the flesh came up upon them, and the skin covered them above: but there was no breath in them.
9 Then said he unto me, Prophesy unto the wind, prophesy, son of man, and say to the wind, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Come from the four winds, O breath, and breathe upon these slain, that they may live.
10 So I prophesied as he commanded me, and the breath came into them, and they lived, and stood up upon their feet, an exceeding great army.
That is a resurrection alright.
Shalom
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