Originally Posted by Slug1
True, there is no other point in salvation, than the faith needed for it. If water baptism is a central part of this (where the cross is the central part in our faith and ultimately our salvation), then Paul and others have lied with these half-truths..., and the worst of all, Jesus have lied too,
and they said, `Believe on the Lord Jesus Christ, and thou shalt be saved--thou and thy house;'
(Act 16:31 YLT)
that if thou mayest confess with thy mouth the Lord Jesus, and mayest believe in thy heart that God did raise him out of the dead, thou shalt be saved,
(Rom 10:9 YLT)
and Jesus having heard, answered him, saying, `Be not afraid, only believe, and she shall be saved.'
(Luk 8:50 YLT)
but, through the grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, we believe to be saved, even as also they.'
(Act 15:11 YLT)
The truth behind this all is the cross, that when anyone came to the cross, you can only do it when you've died in yourself, whereby Jesus will stand up in you the monent you enters His body. When faith comes, it will always be when one enters the body of Christ. What else can clean our sins better than His blood shed at the cross? It is for this very reason that I truly believe in the baptism at the cross (believers entering or immersed into Christ's body) and it is not that difficult to see this in Scripture.
My believe is that losthorizon's main problem in understanding baptism, is that he cannot see the power of God = the cross of Christ. It can never be water baptism, because if it was, Scripture needs to emphasize this on a consistant basis, which is not the case. However, if this baptism is the baptism at the cross, it is consistant with all other scenarios in the Bible...