Water Baptism

[losthorizon]

In context of the full counsel of God's Word... belief is what Peter is talking about:

In full context Peter is clear and his words defeat your dogma once again -belief, repentance and baptism in water come before one's sins will be remitted...

And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(Acts 2:38 ESV)

Hard to miss yet you miss again.

[losthorizon]

What is the ONE baptism that is required for salvation?

And Jesus came and said to them, "All authority in heaven and on earth has been given to me. Go therefore and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit, teaching them to observe all that I have commanded you. And behold, I am with you always, to the end of the age." (Matthew 28:18-20 ESV)

The ONE baptism is the baptism instituted and commanded by Jesus for all who believe (Matt 28). The same one baptism to be taken into all the world - until He comes again. The one baptism administered by the hands of men in the name of the triune God.

Eph 4:5. One baptism - Administered in the name of the holy Trinity; indicative of the influences, privileges, and effects of the Christian religion. ~ Adam Clarke's Commentary on the Bible

Eph 4:5. “Baptism” is specified, being the sacrament whereby we are incorporated into the “one body.” ~ A Commentary on the Old and New Testaments by Robert Jamieson, A. R. Fausset and David Brown

[losthorizon]

I really don't care what Wesley, Henry, and the editors of the Pulpit Commentary say about anything.

More importantly and more troubling is the fact that you do not care what the Lord says. You do err my friend. The words of Jesus remain true - belief and baptism precede salvation and the baptism noted by Peter in Acts 2:38 is baptism in water. Just as Paul taught in Romans 6:3-5 - baptism in water is a burial into the death of Christ as one is baptized into Christ. Do you also teach the error that the baptism noted by Paul in Romans 6 is not baptism in water?

Do you not know that all of us who have been baptized into Christ Jesus were baptized into his death? We were buried therefore with him by baptism into death, in order that, just as Christ was raised from the dead by the glory of the Father, we too might walk in newness of life. For if we have been united with him in a death like his, we shall certainly be united with him in a resurrection like his. (Romans 6:3-5 ESV)

I shall not enter into controversy over this text, although over it some have raised the question of infant baptism or believers' baptism, immersion or sprinkling. If any person can give a consistent and instructive interpretation of the text, otherwise than by assuming believers' immersion to be Christian baptism, I should like to see them do it. I myself am quite incapable of performing such a feat, or even of imagining how it can be done. I am content to take the view that baptism signifies the burial of believers in water in the name of the Lord, and I shall so interpret the text. ~ Charles Spurgeon, Romans 6

Clearly baptism in water is what puts the believer "into Christ".

[percho]

[QUOTE=chad;2568363]Who came? Jesus.
Came where?To us on Earth in baptism and sacrifice.
When was this coming. Do I really need to explain this?



YNG - 1Jo 5:5 -
Who is he who is overcoming the world, if not he who is believing that Jesus is the Son of God? (Not the son of Joseph but the Son of God)

YNG - 1Jo 5:6 -
This one is he (Jesus) who did come (Was born) through water and blood -- Jesus the Christ, not in the water only, but in the water and the blood; and the Spirit it is that is testifying,(Of this truth) because the Spirit is the truth,

The proof of the virgin birth. We are all born through water but not blood. On the marriage bed when the hymen is broken there is shedding of blood making a blood covenant. This was done through birth with Jesus instead of through conception.

[percho]

Hi, Percho-

We inherit because we are made joint-heirs with Him who inherited.

But we are presently heirs not inheritors. We inherit at the coming of Jesus and our resurrection and or change.

[Slug1]

In full context Peter is clear and his words defeat your dogma once again -belief, repentance and baptism in water come before one's sins will be remitted...

And Peter said to them, "Repent and be baptized every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins, and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit.
(Acts 2:38 ESV)

Hard to miss yet you miss again.

The baptism is of the Holy Spirit. Belief only is needed. The eunuch never repented, Cornelius never repented and also manifested in his salvation... both of these examples before any water was applied as an act of faith... not to save them. We see clearly that they were saved prior to the dunking.

I put that scripture about believing is for the remission of sin and you ignore it while we all explain the true meaning of the only two scriptures you use... one of which you cut in half still.

[losthorizon]

The baptism is of the Holy Spirit. Belief only is needed. The eunuch never repented, Cornelius never repented and also manifested in his salvation...

Your error continues unabated - you really need to stop posting until you can get yourself educated. I feel sorry for you. The Ethiopian and Cornelius repented just as all who will be Christ's disciples repented. Did you not repent of your past sins when you first believed? Without repentance one will perish. Jesus only tells us the truth and He is clear - it is the one who believes, repents and is baptized in water who willl be saved. . Do actually read your Bible?

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
(Luke 13:3 ESV)

When Jesus said repent or perish did He mean repent or perish? When Jesus said believe and be baptized in order to be saved did He mean believe and be baptized in order to be saved? This is not hard my friend yet you fail to understand. Why?

[percho]

If the 'water' of the new birth is not water what is it? Do you agree that Jesus said 'he who believes and is baptized shall be saved'? Do His words agree with His statement that one must be born of water (baptism) and the Spirit to be saved by entering the kingdom of God? Do you see agreement between John 3:5 and Mark 16:16? Both passages mention the water of baptism coming before one is saved.

Verse 3 Jesus said except a man be born again or from above he cannot see the KOG.
Verse 4 Nick Thinking of physical birth as a child being born says, How can a man be born when he is old? Can he enter the second time into his mother's womb, and be born? Thinking as being born from his mother again. Then Jesus sets him straight. Hope he got it because I don't think you do.
Verse 5 You have to be born both from your mother that is of water and also of the spirit that is from above to enter the KOG. Then he clears it up more for him.
Verse 6. That which is born of the flesh is flesh. He who is born through water from his mother is flesh and blood. AND that which is born of the spirit is spirit.

Remember Bill Clinton and the def. of is? What is is? What does is mean?

That which is first is Corruptible flesh and mortal soul: the life = neplesh =soul is in the blood thereof. For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal [must] put on immortality.

[thedee]

Your error continues

Still waiting on the answer for post 829.

[Slug1]

Your error continues unabated - you really need to stop posting until you can get yourself educated. I feel sorry for you. The Ethiopian and Cornelius repented just as all who will be Christ's disciples repented. Did you not repent of your past sins when you first believed? Without repentance one will perish. Jesus only tells us the truth and He is clear - it is the one who believes, repents and is baptized in water who willl be saved. . Do actually read your Bible?

No, I tell you; but unless you repent, you will all likewise perish.
(Luke 13:3 ESV)

When Jesus said repent or perish did He mean repent or perish? When Jesus said believe and be baptized in order to be saved did He mean believe and be baptized in order to be saved? This is not hard my friend yet you fail to understand. Why?

Look LH... the point is and I made this in several other posts... "BELIEF" is a package. Ya don't have to itemize all the elements. Scripture does the itemizing and breaking it all down and then sums up all that CONTEXT in a single word... BELIEVE or BELIEF. That is what I mean... OK. The point being... when a person believes, they have understood who Jesus is (the Gospel), they have repented, they have accepted, sin is washed away (remission of sin), they have been baptized in the Holy Spirit (ONE Baptism) and they are saved.

THEN... there is no hindrance to get dunked and symbolize physically as an act of faith in DISCIPLESHIP of the work Jesus has done for and in them on a spiritual level.

[PneumaPsucheSoma]

But we are presently heirs not inheritors. We inherit at the coming of Jesus and our resurrection and or change.

Yes. We have the earnest of that inheritance until redemption of the purchased possession. :-)

[Butch5]

Yes....................

It does? I know many Christians who never, spoke in tongues, cast out demons, Prophesied, interpreted tongues, etc., they have never manifested the supernatural gifts of the Spirit when they believed, does that mean they were not saved?

[losthorizon]

Look LH... the point is and I made this in several other posts... "BELIEF" is a package. Ya don't have to itemize all the elements. Scripture does the itemizing and breaking it all down and then sums up all that CONTEXT in a single word... BELIEVE or BELIEF.

Then you agree with me that belief is not all that God requires? He also requires us to repent. Repentance is not belief and belief is not repentance and neither belief or repentance is baptism and God requires all three - the one who believes, repents and is baptized in water is the one who will have his sins remitted by the blood of Christ . You will get much closer if you can wrap your head around that truth. What do you think?

[RabbiKnife]

It does? I know many Christians who never, spoke in tongues, cast out demons, Prophesied, interpreted tongues, etc., they have never manifested the supernatural gifts of the Spirit when they believed, does that mean they were not saved?

The Baptism of the Holy Spirit has absolutely nothing to do with speaking in tongues, casting out demons, prophesying, interpreting, etc....

That is bad theology, too, that tries to create a baptism BY the HOly Spirit into the body and a second baptism OF the HOly Spirit for gifts, etc.

[RabbiKnife]

Then you agree with me that belief is not all that God requires? He also requires us to repent. Repentance is not belief and belief is not repentance and neither belief or repentance is baptism and God requires all three - the one who believes, repents and is baptized in water is the one who will have his sins remitted by the blood of Christ . You will get much closer if you can wrap your head around that truth. What do you think?

Your conclusion is still contrary to Scripture.

Belief is repentance. Repentance is simply changing one's mind about the person and work of Jesus, which is belief in who He is.