Wouldn't it be nice...

[ProjectPeter]

Sorry to exceed my authority here.

you did fine... allowed me to make a point and that's always good!

[ProjectPeter]

Already, ironically enough, by what you just stated, this is up for debate. Not against what God has declared to be true and eternal, but against what you say God has declared to be true and eternal. It's pretty easy to see why we have debates in here. You give the impression that your understanding of the Scriptures are not debatable, because to argue with you, is to really argue with what God has declared to be true and eternal, according to your understanding. Don't you see the problem?

Both of you have exactly made the point.

[Brother Mark]

Mark... GiC is what it is. It's for those GROWING... not for the grown to sidestep refuting of what they want to say. There is a wee bit of room for refuting something in there but it is just a wee bit. That isn't what the section is there for.

We should all be growing Ken. Even Paul didn't consider himself having arrived. OK, with that smarty response out of the way... I enjoy that section both for what is posted and what I can post.

As to debate... no one is forced to debate. That was my point earlier. If you want to post something and someone wants to enter into a debate on the matter... takes two to have that dance. Don't debate them if you don't want to debate. If you refute them... they refute back... you refute their refute... they refute your refute to their refute... you are debating. No rule saying you have to do that. That's totally up to the individual poster.

Of course. But then you have to sort through a thread to get there and that is far easier said than done. Like I said... if there isn't a place for those you would call "grown" to discuss without having to "shout" through the debate, sort through the anger, go through page by tedious page to avoid the back and forth bickering that is a lot more common, IMO, than debate, then that is a hole in what bibleforums provides... a major hole IMO. Thread's get hijacked all the time Ken, because it is what it is. That's the nature of the biblechat. If there is no place here for discussion for the "grown" to encourage one another in the Lord through what I would consider mature discussion, then it is lacking in that area. IMO, I would even "argue" those discussion threads do more for the kingdom than the ones that end up bickering back and forth. Though I would eliminate neither for certainly both have their place.

[John146]

If we are driven to a deeper study of Gods word who is the beneficiary?

All of us.......

[John146]

I've said it a lot in my years here now and time again. There is a vast difference between contending for the faith (that we are to do) and being contentious in our faith (that is sinful). A lot of times... the latter seems to come out. When that happens... it is dealt with.

I agree. And since it is dealt with when it becomes contentious I'm a bit confused as to why anyone would complain about how things are set up here.

[ProjectPeter]

We should all be growing Ken. Even Paul didn't consider himself having arrived. OK, with that smarty response out of the way... I enjoy that section both for what is posted and what I can post.



Of course. But then you have to sort through a thread to get there and that is far easier said than done. Like I said... if there isn't a place for those you would call "grown" to discuss without having to "shout" through the debate, sort through the anger, go through page by tedious page to avoid the back and forth bickering that is a lot more common, IMO, than debate, then that is a hole in what bibleforums provides... a major hole IMO. Thread's get hijacked all the time Ken, because it is what it is. That's the nature of the biblechat. If there is no place here for discussion for the "grown" to encourage one another in the Lord through what I would consider mature discussion, then it is lacking in that area. IMO, I would even "argue" those discussion threads do more for the kingdom than the ones that end up bickering back and forth. Though I would eliminate neither for certainly both have their place.

It is the nature of Bible Chat. It's also a safeguard too and if you can't understand that part then nothing much else I can say. A forum where folks want to preach their stuff without refute... ain't happening here and THAT IS what it would be. Surprised that you guys have a hard time understanding that point. You were here back when we allowed folks to start threads that were "NO DEBATE" and in short order... Charismatics doing their thing, Pentecostal their thing, Reformed their thing... no one could refute anything no matter what the other said. That won't happen again... so folks can not like the way it is set up in here and that's cool. It ain't changing though. We have tweaked with it many times over the years. This is how it is.

[Brother Mark]

It is the nature of Bible Chat. It's also a safeguard too and if you can't understand that part then nothing much else I can say.

I understand it. I never said I didn't understand it. What I am trying to say is it is good to discuss things without getting into backbiting, accusations, full bore debate, etc. I think it can be done in a forum too. GiC is a great example of that. People disagree in that forum but do so in a more polite way. Nothing wrong with that.

A forum where folks want to preach their stuff without refute... ain't happening here and THAT IS what it would be.

GiC doesn't allow debate, yet no one is allowed to "preach their stuff" there without refutation. Again, there is a difference in tone and that I think is what Pilgrim (and me for sure) am pointing at.

Surprised that you guys have a hard time understanding that point. You were here back when we allowed folks to start threads that were "NO DEBATE" and in short order... Charismatics doing their thing, Pentecostal their thing, Reformed their thing... no one could refute anything no matter what the other said. That won't happen again... so folks can not like the way it is set up in here and that's cool. It ain't changing though. We have tweaked with it many times over the years. This is how it is.

No one needs to have the ability to preach without refutation. That doesn't happen anywhere on the board. It's a straw man Ken because it doesn't happen anywhere on the board, yet debate is not allowed in all forums. I think that is the point that is being made. There can be civil discussion and disagreement without heated debate. I think GiC does a great job of doing that very thing.

[ProjectPeter]

I understand it. I never said I didn't understand it. What I am trying to say is it is good to discuss things without getting into backbiting, accusations, full bore debate, etc. I think it can be done in a forum too. GiC is a great example of that. People disagree in that forum but do so in a more polite way. Nothing wrong with that.



GiC doesn't allow debate, yet no one is allowed to "preach their stuff" there without refutation. Again, there is a difference in tone and that I think is what Pilgrim (and me for sure) am pointing at.



No one needs to have the ability to preach without refutation. That doesn't happen anywhere on the board. It's a straw man Ken because it doesn't happen anywhere on the board, yet debate is not allowed in all forums. I think that is the point that is being made. There can be civil discussion and disagreement without heated debate. I think GiC does a great job of doing that very thing.

There are times when that happens in here. And again... that is not what GiC is for. That should be equally as simple to understand!

It takes two people to have uncivil discourse. If one refuses to bite... the other generally doesn't talk to themselves for to long. There is always the report post function as well if you think someone crossing the line and if you think the mod's are letting someone get by in a Bible Chat thread with backbiting, and the like. We try to get on that as much as we can but we can't catch all of them. When we do and we see it as that... we deal with it. You know that.

It ain';t going to change guys... so we can go on and on and on if you like. I'm the energizer bunny with this stuff.

[christseeker]

If Bible Chat were about the Bible instead of Theology? If we could talk about the Bible rather than throw theological mud in every other thread? If we could live up to Titus 3:9: "But avoid foolish controversies and genealogies and strife and disputes about the Law, for they are unprofitable and worthless." ? If we could pay attention to 1 Timothy 6:4, which says "he is conceited and understands nothing; but he has a morbid interest in controversial questions and disputes about words, out of which arise envy, strife, abusive language, evil suspicions"?

Wouldn't it be great if we got our BIBLE Chat back and got rid of Theology Chat? I've come so close to leaving this board for this very reason. There is no joy for me in participating in Bible Chat anymore because the above Scriptures are not heeded. The only threads that get attention are the theologically controversial or interesting ones, whereas threads about actual Scriptures are discarded, ignored, and passed over. So so sad. But it's the reason that I hardly ever post anything in this forum anymore.

Bible and Theology go hand in hand. The Bible does not stand alone

[ProDeo]

Nah. Let me tell you why. Anyone that is strong enough in the Scripture to teach (and that's what the majority of the threads on BC are) something or preach something or take a stand on something... that SHOULD BE a person that can function with the self-control enough to not get bunched up because someone says WRONG PROJECTPETER!!! I've been called a wolf, heretic, false teacher, and words that the filter doesn't allow. Been called it on the open board often enough and in private more times than I can recall. It's ugly... it's silly. Some folks are ugly and silly. I generally ignore the remarks until it gets to a point where I must stop it for the sake of a thread. I'll let things go when said to me that I wouldn't allow said to you... but the point is that it happens. Folks that are biblical solid enough to argue, debate, or teach something should understand something such as the requirement to control our selves. If they can't... they probably shouldn't argue theology so hard... they still have some basics to learn.

No argument with your line of reasoning. Funny thing of the internet, sitting safe in a chair behind the keyboard the barrier of self control is (a lot) easier crossed when talking face to face.

Besides, I made a serious typo in my previous post. "spit" changed to "split" as intended. Just wanted to spit that out as far as I could.

[-SEEKING-]

Bible and Theology go hand in hand. The Bible does not stand alone

Actually it does. OUR Theology can NEVER be at the same level as the Bible. Ever.

[Amos_with_goats]

I am not sure if it is more ironic that this thread has become a debate,

... or that many of the posters to this thread are ones who tend to stir up other threads...


What if we made a separate forum for each person, and only people who agreed with them on all points could post.....

.... Naw, that would look like a bunch of folks typing to themselves...

[christseeker]

Actually it does. OUR Theology can NEVER be at the same level as the Bible. Ever.

Well I just disagree with you

[-SEEKING-]

Well I just disagree with you

That's ok. Nothing wrong with disagreeing with each other.

[Frecs]

I am not sure if it is more ironic that this thread has become a debate,

... or that many of the posters to this thread are ones who tend to stir up other threads...


What if we made a separate forum for each person, and only people who agreed with them on all points could post.....

.... Naw, that would look like a bunch of folks typing to themselves...

oooohhh the irony of it all....

Hey, some of my most interesting arguments are with myself. Sometimes, I even win....