The bottom line is this: the forum has already lost many a good poster due to this issue and will continue to lose many more if no changes are made. Of course theology comes into play when you talk about the Bible; the problem is that it becomes about theology and not the Bible. Also, any thread that just discusses the Bible - like the one I started about Psalm 100 - doesn't get any attention hardly at all, whereas chatting about Psalm 100 seems to be the epitome of Bible Chat. Not (N)OSAS or whatever other controversial topic always gets lots of attention.
Who have I in heaven but You oh God? Besides You, I desire nothing here on earth. My heart and my flesh may fail me, but God will be the strength of my heart and my portion forever...as for me, the nearness of God is my good - Psalm 73:25-26, 28a
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If Satan can keep us busy swinging our swords at one another, there is no hope of a united attack on the kingdom of darkness. KJV, NIV, ESV or ABCDEFG; there is no time to bicker over such things. We'll devour each other if allowed to continue. We should grab the marching orders written in the way we best understand and get to work.
I know this is talking about the Lord's Supper but . . .
1 Corinthians 11:18-19 "I hear that there are divisions among you, and in part I believe it, for there must also be factions among you, that those who are approved may be recognised among you"NKJV
"But of course there must be divisions among youso that you who have God's approval will be recognised" NLT
I think it's important to talk about our differences, if for nothing else than to try and understand others. I think a lot of the bad blood comes in because somebody else says something we disagree with and we automatically go into defensive mode. Personally, I like to explore what other people believe and why they believe it, to try and understand what support people have for their beliefs. As a child who didn't talk about church outside of his own church, I didn't really understand how people could believe something other than "the truth" when it was so obvious to me. As I got older and started talking to people from other denominations, I began to realize that people typically had a good reason for believing what they did and some of the things I believed were either wrong or not something that should be applied universally. It opened my mind to a greater understanding of God, the bible and the Holy Spirit. Discussions about our differences are a blessing from the Lord.
That being said, I am as guilty of stirring the pot as anyone. In the baptism thread(s), I wanted to see how others would respond to a hard-line stance on water baptism, so I approached the topic as if I was one of them. Perhaps that seems a bad thing to do, but a few people posted things that I did not think of before, which I truly appreciated.
It is interesting since the bible is the word of God and Gods word is not debated but it is declared. Theology is debated as to whether it rests solely upon the word of God.
Only a fool, in the metaphorical sense, would argue or debate against what God has declared to be true and eternal.
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I agree with your sentiments also
stick in there and keep trying to post the stuff you want to see.
It is a debate forum guys and set up as such. Theology is what determines a lot of how folks interpret various passages of the Bible. Trying to get rid of that is like me changing my hair to a different color without the use of chemicals and dyes. Our theology and doctrine are part of what and who we are... that's a reality. Even those of you who think you are free from such as that... you aren't. That's why, no matter the passage posted to discuss, someone believes what they do and you believe something differently.
I will say this too and you guys take it in the spirit intended and don't go elsewhere. I read where folks get frustrated and aggravated when these discussions get froggy. Okay... why? Do you agree with each and every doctrine out there? No. Do you just keep silent because you don't want to contend for what you believe? Sounds like a lot of you are. That would be wrong for some of you guys who I know are strong enough to handle such a discussion. If you have no patience for this.. then look at that flaw in your own life because by now... you should have enough to contend with what goes on in here.
The wrestling comment... I hear you but honestly, that is not a proper nor fair representation of what goes on in here and a lot of moderator's bust their backsides to try and keep that sort of thing from happening. If you don't like debate then cool. Don't debate. Just because others do doesn't make them "fighting" in such a manner. Were it not for very passionate debate then rest assured that we would all be circumcised (men and boys) and we'd be following the Law of Moses to the letter. I for one am glad that the Apostle's and elders didn't shy away from it. You can see Acts 15 for further understanding.
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