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    Is there really a 1000 years?

    Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL .

    Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

    2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

    Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


    The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

    Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.


    Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years

    Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.

    Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


    1000 Years a metaphoric phrase

    Represents "timelessness" outside of this relm, heaven or hell whereby events are occurring. This is what Peter meant when using the "1000 years" perhaps even you have used this phrase "1000 years" to mean a non defined length of time....

    2pe 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Yes there is a beginning and end which signals this time period but the period itself cannot be measured as time I doubt is measured in heaven. Time exisits but not measured. The 1000 years is not a millenial kingdom rather the length of time Satan is in the pit PRIOR to the return of Christ. This "time" would parrallel the 42 months on earth.

    Study the events above in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously prior to the retun of Christ.


    In Christ, Mark

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL .

    Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

    2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

    Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


    The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

    Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.


    Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years

    Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.

    Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


    1000 Years a metaphoric phrase

    Represents "timelessness" outside of this relm, heaven or hell whereby events are occurring. This is what Peter meant when using the "1000 years" perhaps even you have used this phrase "1000 years" to mean a non defined length of time....

    2pe 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Yes there is a beginning and end which signals this time period but the period itself cannot be measured as time I doubt is measured in heaven. Time exisits but not measured. The 1000 years is not a millenial kingdom rather the length of time Satan is in the pit PRIOR to the return of Christ. This "time" would parrallel the 42 months on earth.

    Study the events above in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously prior to the retun of Christ.


    In Christ, Mark


    LOL! Not at what you posted, but at your question. Of course the 1000 yrs are real. Ask any premil. Now regardless of whether the 1000 yrs should be understood literally or not, I don't think that's the problem. The problem is where to place it, and what exactly does it represent. Then we have to keep in mind, at the end of this period of time, satan is loosed for a short season. Either way you look at it, the outcome seems odd. If satan is loosed 1000 yrs after Christ has returned, that seems odd. If the 1000 yrs represent the church era, then it seems odd that satan would be loosed for a little season after Christ has returned, since Christ would return at the end of the church era.

    I mean, if we're now in the 1000 yrs, and at the end of it satan is loosed, then what caused the end of the 1000 yrs, if it's not the return of Christ? Or how could we be in the 1000 yrs one minute, then be in satan's little season the next minute? What events caused the 1000 yrs to end, if we're living in the 1000 yrs now?


    Clearly, in my mind, premil then is far more logical.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    LOL! Not at what you posted, but at your question. Of course the 1000 yrs are real. Ask any premil. Now regardless of whether the 1000 yrs should be understood literally or not, I don't think that's the problem.
    Unfortunately this is the problem. Most if not all (including myself for a time) saw nothing but a literal 1000 years. I mean this is what we have been told........

    The problem is where to place it,
    and what exactly does it represent. Then we have to keep in mind, at the end of this period of time, satan is loosed for a short season. Either way you look at it, the outcome seems odd. If satan is loosed 1000 yrs after Christ has returned, that seems odd. If the 1000 yrs represent the church era, then it seems odd that satan would be loosed for a little season after Christ has returned, since Christ would return at the end of the church era.
    The thread is to resolve this uncertainity. The only way for resolution is that the 1000 years are not literal.

    I mean, if we're now in the 1000 yrs, and at the end of it satan is loosed, then what caused the end of the 1000 yrs, if it's not the return of Christ? Or how could we be in the 1000 yrs one minute, then be in satan's little season the next minute? What events caused the 1000 yrs to end, if we're living in the 1000 yrs now?
    The 1000 years starts when Satan is thrown into the pit and ends when he is released. Whether what you believe this can be agreed. On earth this time would be a measured 42 months as his "son" runs the show.

    1. I have tried to show that certain events in Rev 20 occur prior to Christ's return thus they cannot happen twice.
    2. That the binding and releasing of Satan occurs outside this relm whereby time may not be measured thus the explanantion of using 1000 years. John could have used a million years for that matter. Though he stayed in line with Peter and used 1000.
    3. Concluding that the 1000 years is a metaphorical phrase because John could not know for sure. This is also why John say that there was silence is heaven for ABOUT a half hour. Same reason.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Is there really a 1000 years?
    No. Using the calendar of the time 1014.5 years is more accurate.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post

    Study the events above in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously prior to the retun of Christ.


    In Christ, Mark

    Let's go with that then. Let's use Rev 20 as the outline of events.


    Revelation 20

    1 And I saw an angel come down from heaven, having the key of the bottomless pit and a great chain in his hand.
    2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,
    3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.
    4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.
    6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,
    8 And shall go out to deceive the nations which are in the four quarters of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle: the number of whom is as the sand of the sea.
    9 And they went up on the breadth of the earth, and compassed the camp of the saints about, and the beloved city: and fire came down from God out of heaven, and devoured them.
    10 And the devil that deceived them was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone, where the beast and the false prophet are, and shall be tormented day and night for ever and ever.
    11 And I saw a great white throne, and him that sat on it, from whose face the earth and the heaven fled away; and there was found no place for them.
    12 And I saw the dead, small and great, stand before God; and the books were opened: and another book was opened, which is the book of life: and the dead were judged out of those things which were written in the books, according to their works.
    13 And the sea gave up the dead which were in it; and death and hell delivered up the dead which were in them: and they were judged every man according to their works.
    14 And death and hell were cast into the lake of fire. This is the second death.
    15 And whosoever was not found written in the book of life was cast into the lake of fire.


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    Revelation 19

    11 And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war.
    12 His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, that no man knew, but he himself.
    13 And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God.
    14 And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean.
    15 And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God.
    16 And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS.
    17 And I saw an angel standing in the sun; and he cried with a loud voice, saying to all the fowls that fly in the midst of heaven, Come and gather yourselves together unto the supper of the great God;
    18 That ye may eat the flesh of kings, and the flesh of captains, and the flesh of mighty men, and the flesh of horses, and of them that sit on them, and the flesh of all men, both free and bond, both small and great.
    19 And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army.
    20 And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone.
    21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat upon the horse, which sword proceeded out of his mouth: and all the fowls were filled with their flesh.

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    This passage in Rev 19, where would you place it in Rev ch 20? Between what verses? Let's say that we inserted it between verse 9 and 10. This still doesn't explain Revelation 20:3....till the thousand years should be fulfilled: What causes the 1000 years to be fulfilled? Because when it's fulfilled, satan is loosed for a season. If the 1000 years is this current world age, then when it's fulfilled, why isn't Christ here yet? Because if we put the Rev 19 passage between verse 9 and 10 of Rev 20, this means Christ returns at the end of satan's little season, and not at the fulfillment of the 1000 yrs. So someone needs to explain what causes the 1000 years to be fulfilled?

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    This passage in Rev 19, where would you place it in Rev ch 20? Between what verses? Let's say that we inserted it between verse 9 and 10. This still doesn't explain Revelation 20:3....till the thousand years should be fulfilled: What causes the 1000 years to be fulfilled?
    Satan's 'little season' ends the reign on earth just before the second coming.

    Because when it's fulfilled, satan is loosed for a season. If the 1000 years is this current world age, then when it's fulfilled, why isn't Christ here yet?
    Because Satan's little season has to happen just before Christ returns, according to what is written.

    Because if we put the Rev 19 passage between verse 9 and 10 of Rev 20, this means Christ returns at the end of satan's little season, and not at the fulfillment of the 1000 yrs. So someone needs to explain what causes the 1000 years to be fulfilled?
    Saints reigning with Christ will go on into eternity. That reign was fulfilled at the cross. The reign 'on earth' ends with Satan's little season, just prior to His return, but saints continue to reign with Christ through the 'little season' and on into the new earth to come.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raybob View Post
    Satan's 'little season' ends the reign on earth just before the second coming.

    In what way? What happens to the reign on earth when the little season begins? I'm not following you? I mean, if the 1000 yrs are now, and saints are reigning on the earth now, why wouldn't they also be reigning when the little season begins? And beseides, According to Scripture, the reigning on the earth is forever, not temporarily.


    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    Why would those in Rev 5 reign temorarily on the earth, only to then reign for ever and ever on the earth according to Rev 21 and 22? The way it looks to me, according to how I'm understanding you..saints reign on the earth 1000 yrs...then they don't reign during satan's little season..then they do reign for ever and ever after Christ has returned.
    I'm just not following you? But I already said that earlier. I realize you tried to explain it in more detail at that end of your post, but I'm still not getting it. Something else to ponder. Should we just throw most of the OT out the window..the prophecies that deal with after Christ has returned? And yes, there are many such prophecies...as in the ones that can't be explained in this present age.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL .
    I think you will find that Christ has already established his kingdom; as the scripture says, we are a kingdom of priests. This kingdom is eternal. If for some reason, Christ wanted to restore the nation of Israel, and cause her to live in peace and prosperity for one thousand years, this would not negate the fact that we are a kingdom of priests, on earth, as subjects of an eternal kingdom. The kingdom Christ established will continue into eternity, whether he also restores Israel or not.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    In what way? What happens to the reign on earth when the little season begins? I'm not following you? I mean, if the 1000 yrs are now, and saints are reigning on the earth now, why wouldn't they also be reigning when the little season begins? And beseides, According to Scripture, the reigning on the earth is forever, not temporarily.


    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    Why would those in Rev 5 reign temorarily on the earth, only to then reign for ever and ever on the earth according to Rev 21 and 22? ...
    The reign with Christ is forever. The "on earth" part only goes until the second coming when this earth melts with fervent heat. Revelation 21 and 22 clearly don't speak about any physical things on this current earth.

    IMO,
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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    In what way? What happens to the reign on earth when the little season begins? I'm not following you? I mean, if the 1000 yrs are now, and saints are reigning on the earth now, why wouldn't they also be reigning when the little season begins? And beseides, According to Scripture, the reigning on the earth is forever, not temporarily.


    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    Why would those in Rev 5 reign temorarily on the earth, only to then reign for ever and ever on the earth according to Rev 21 and 22? The way it looks to me, according to how I'm understanding you..saints reign on the earth 1000 yrs...then they don't reign during satan's little season..then they do reign for ever and ever after Christ has returned.
    I'm just not following you? But I already said that earlier. I realize you tried to explain it in more detail at that end of your post, but I'm still not getting it. Something else to ponder. Should we just throw most of the OT out the window..the prophecies that deal with after Christ has returned? And yes, there are many such prophecies...as in the ones that can't be explained in this present age.
    In answer to this, DivaD...
    "What happens to the reign on earth when the little season begins? I'm not following you? I mean, if the 1000 yrs are now, and saints are reigning on the earth now, why wouldn't they also be reigning when the little season begins? And beseides, According to Scripture, the reigning on the earth is forever, not temporarily."

    I offer that satan is now hindered, being held, restrained, BOUND. He can only do as much and go as far as God's 'restraints' allow at the present time. When these RESTRAINTS are loosed, then he will have the ability to go far, far above what he does now. On earth. And to believers!

    But at some future time, we have no way of knowing WHEN, he will be LOOSED for a little while.

    This does not in any way indicate the saints LOSE their ability to 'reign' with Christ Jesus. Satan will as much as he is allowed to do, continue to 'make war with the saints.' But this will at some point increase in intensity, when he is 'loosed' for a little season. Then, AT THE RETURN OF CHRIST, he will be cast into the lake of fire.

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by divaD View Post
    Revelation 5:10 And hast made us unto our God kings and priests: and we shall reign on the earth.

    Revelation 22:5 And there shall be no night there; and they need no candle, neither light of the sun; for the Lord God giveth them light: and they shall reign for ever and ever.

    Why would those in Rev 5 reign temorarily on the earth, only to then reign for ever and ever on the earth according to Rev 21 and 22? The way it looks to me, according to how I'm understanding you..saints reign on the earth 1000 yrs...then they don't reign during satan's little season..then they do reign for ever and ever after Christ has returned.
    I'm just not following you? But I already said that earlier. I realize you tried to explain it in more detail at that end of your post, but I'm still not getting it.
    DivaD, Rev. 21 and 22 are in the NEW heavens and the NEW earth, after this old dirt has been burned up.

    If you use those chapters as proof, where are the streets of gold now on this earth? Where are the 'gates of pearl'? And no seas? This is speaking of the NEW Jerusalem, not the current place with that name here and now....

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL .

    Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

    2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

    Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.

    In Christ, Mark
    Hello Mark

    It is written in 2Pet 3:10 the elements/rudiments are to be burned up. The subject of 2Pet3 is about earth ages, three earth ages to be exact and not the literal destruction of heaven and the planet earth. The planet earth is made to be inhabited as written in Isa 45:18.

    Yes there will be a thousand year millenium and every knee shall bow as it is written. The thousand years will be as one day to God. For man has been given six days to work and then shall the day of rest come as promised. Satan will be locked up and people who have been misled will have the chance they never had to learn the truth from error. At the end of the millenium satan will be released to deceive one more time. Those who've been taught in the millenium will then have their chance to overcome death and error one last time.

    1Cor 15:22 For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ shall all be made alive.

    15:23 But every man in his own order: Christ the firstfruits; afterward they that are Christ's at his coming.

    15:24 Then cometh the end, when he shall have delivered up the kingdom to God, even the Father; when he shall have put down all rule and all authority and power.

    15:25 For he must reign, till he hath put all enemies under his feet.

    15:26 The last enemy that shall be destroyed is death.

    15:27 For he hath put all things under his feet. But when he saith all things are put under him, it is manifest that he is excepted, which did put all things under him.

    15:28 And when all things shall be subdued unto him, then shall the Son also himself be subject unto him that put all things under him, that God may be all in all.

    Hope this helps!
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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by ross3421 View Post
    Does Christ come to set up a temporal kingdom? Apart from all the scriptures which state otherwise whereby Christ states his kingdom is ETERNAL .

    Heaven and earth destroyed upon Christ's return

    2pe 3:10But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein shall be burned up.

    This destruction is immediate and thus the replacement must be immediate thus no earth nor heaven would exsist during a supposed 1000 year. In addition, if you agree that there is a new heaven and new earth for the 1000 years then you are saying that destruction to the old earth and heaven happens twice or that it happens a 1000 years later but scripture does not back this.

    Mt 16:28Verily I say unto you, There be some standing here, which shall not taste of death, till they see the Son of man coming in his kingdom.


    The resurrection of both believer and the ungodly occur on the same day.

    Joh 6:44No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

    Joh 12:48He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

    Re 11:18And the nations were angry, and thy wrath is come, and the time of the dead, that they should be judged, and that thou shouldest give reward unto thy servants the prophets, and to the saints, and them that fear thy name, small and great; and shouldest destroy them which destroy the earth.

    Again the resurrection of all occurs with in the same time frame and not 1000 years apart. A futher study also shows that all appear at the Great White Throne, the believers (small and great) and those dead which come up from the sea.


    Satan is cast into and ascends out from the pit prior to the 1000 years

    Rev 12:9,12 - “and that great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast into the earth. (v.12)…..woe unto the inhibitors of the earth and the sea! For the devil has come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Rev 17:8,10 - “the beast which thou sawest was, and is not; and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit, and go into perdition…..and when he cometh, he must continue for a short space”.

    Rev 11:7 - “and when they shall have finished their testimony, the beast that ascendeth out of the bottomless pit…..”


    1000 Years a metaphoric phrase

    Represents "timelessness" outside of this relm, heaven or hell whereby events are occurring. This is what Peter meant when using the "1000 years" perhaps even you have used this phrase "1000 years" to mean a non defined length of time....

    2pe 3:8But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.

    Yes there is a beginning and end which signals this time period but the period itself cannot be measured as time I doubt is measured in heaven. Time exisits but not measured. The 1000 years is not a millenial kingdom rather the length of time Satan is in the pit PRIOR to the return of Christ. This "time" would parrallel the 42 months on earth.

    Study the events above in chapter 20 closely and you should notice a inkling that these events have happened previously prior to the retun of Christ.


    In Christ, Mark
    I believe there is, otherwise you must also accept that those that died for the word of God shall not reign with Christ for a thousand years. The following can therefore be erased.

    Rev 20:2 And he laid hold on the dragon, that old serpent, which is the Devil, and Satan, and bound him a thousand years,

    Rev 20:3 And cast him into the bottomless pit, and shut him up, and set a seal upon him, that he should deceive the nations no more, till the thousand years should be fulfilled: and after that he must be loosed a little season.

    Rev 20:4 And I saw thrones, and they sat upon them, and judgment was given unto them: and I saw the souls of them that were beheaded for the witness of Jesus, and for the word of God, and which had not worshipped the beast, neither his image, neither had received his mark upon their foreheads, or in their hands; and they lived and reigned with Christ a thousand years.
    Rev 20:5 But the rest of the dead lived not again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first resurrection.

    Rev 20:6 Blessed and holy is he that hath part in the first resurrection: on such the second death hath no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with him a thousand years.
    Rev 20:7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Would you not want to reign with Christ for a thousand years?

    Do you know what happens during the millenium?

    Firstfruits

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Raybob View Post
    The reign with Christ is forever. The "on earth" part only goes until the second coming when this earth melts with fervent heat. Revelation 21 and 22 clearly don't speak about any physical things on this current earth.

    IMO,
    Raybob
    And just who do we with Christ reign over in eternity?

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    Re: Is there really a 1000 years?

    Quote Originally Posted by Love Fountain View Post
    Hello Mark

    It is written in 2Pet 3:10 the elements/rudiments are to be burned up. The subject of 2Pet3 is about earth ages, three earth ages to be exact and not the literal destruction of heaven and the planet earth. The planet earth is made to be inhabited as written in Isa 45:18.
    But it also agrees with other scriptures that speak of the same event.

    For, behold, I create new heavens and a new earth: and the former shall not be remembered, nor come into mind.
    (Isa 65:17)


    ...Satan will be locked up and people who have been misled will have the chance they never had to learn the truth from error. At the end of the millenium satan will be released to deceive one more time. Those who've been taught in the millenium will then have their chance to overcome death and error one last time.
    That is the entire problem with the teaching of a future millenium period. People think that some will have a second chance after the day of the Lord. The bible doesn't teach that anywhere in scriptures. The problem with that teaching is that when Jesus returns, that is the day every knee shall bow and every tounge will confess that Jesus is Lord but for most, it will be too late.

    Raybob

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