Because I don't see how Jesus is the servant in Isaiah 53.Originally Posted by Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
Because I don't see how Jesus is the servant in Isaiah 53.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
As I said before it was in regards to Isaiah 52 that I replied to you post.
Is 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Do you believe this should be Israel rather that Jesus?
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
Yes but you ignored everything I said.
Jews understand the "servant" as being the Jewish people.Do you believe this should be Israel rather that Jesus?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Can we go ahead if the start is not understood?
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
Not sure I understand your question...
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
With regards to Isaiah 52 as you gave it, and the scriptures that I gave with it should it be Israel or is it the messiah?
Is 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;
Do you believe this should be Israel rather that Jesus?
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
You can't quote NT verses at me to prove something.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Who then is spoken of in 52:13 The messiah or israel?
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
As I have said several times, it is Israel.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
How is Israel to be exalted?
How is Israel to deal prudently?
Is 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
Zechariah 8:23 This is what the LORD Almighty says: "In those days ten men from all languages and nations will take firm hold of one Jew by the hem of his robe and say, 'Let us go with you, because we have heard that God is with you.'"
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
But is that not through the messiah?
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
You asked me how Israel will be exalted. I showed you how.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Yes but that is because of the messiah that Israel shall follow and all nations.
Firstfruits
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