If we go to the cemetery and I ask you to pick three graves, and as soon as you pick them, I say in the name of Jesus ... LIVE! ... Would you believe Yeshua is the Messiah if the three corpses come to life?Originally Posted by Fenris
Shalom
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If we go to the cemetery and I ask you to pick three graves, and as soon as you pick them, I say in the name of Jesus ... LIVE! ... Would you believe Yeshua is the Messiah if the three corpses come to life?
Shalom
Deadpan Snarker
Mmmm no. In Exodus 7 the Egyptian magicians were able to perform miracles too. That didn't make their religion correct either.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
I live here!
In another thread, I was making a point, and I actually had you in mind. You just proved my point for me.
Deadpan Snarker
Glad I could be of assistance!
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Fenris if you were God, could you think of a better way to tell the Jews that the Messiah had come? Billions of articles marked every day with the birth of His Son, a reminder to the Jews that they slew the anointed Messiah.
When you combine that with the fact that the Jews have no Temple because the Messiah is their Temple, then one must wonder how dull of hearing they have become.
Deadpan Snarker
Yeah, I could. An actual fulfillment of messianic prophecy.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Matthew 22:3 And sent forth his servants to call them that were bidden to the wedding: and they would not come.
Deadpan Snarker
Using a book to prove it's own point. How novel.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Just work on # 15 and 16 on this list.
Jesus’ Resume
[Old Testament Prophecy] (New Testament Fulfillment)
Messiah’s Lineage
1. Born of a woman [Gen 3:15] (Gal 4:4)
2. Born of a virgin [Isa 7:14] (Mat 1:18,24-25)
3. Seed of Abraham [Gen 22:18; Gen 12:2-3] (Mat 1:1, Gal 3:16)
4. Son of Isaac [Gen 21:12] (Luke 3:23,34)
5. Son of Jacob [Num 24:17] (Luke 3:23,34)
6. From the tribe of Judah [Gen 49:10, Psalm 78:68] (Luke 3:23,34)
7. Family of Jesse [Isa 11:1] (Luke 3:23,31)
8. House of David [Jer 23:5] (Luke 3:23,31; Acts 13:22-23; Rev 22:16)
9. Born at Bethlehem [Micah 5:2] (Mat 2:1-8)
[Old Testament Prophecy] (New Testament Fulfillment)
Messiah’s Divinity
10. Son of God [Psalm 2:7; 110:1; 89:26; 1Chr 17:11-14; 2Sam 7:12-16]
(Mat 3:17; 16:16; Mark 9:7; Rom 1:4; Acts 13:30-33; Mat 22:42-46)
11. His Pre-existence [ Micah 5:2; Isa 9:6-7; Isa 41:4]
(Col 1:17; John 1:1-2; John 8:58)
12. He shall be called Lord [Psalm 110:1] (Luke 2:11; Mat 22:43-45)
13. Shall be called Emmanuel [Isa 7:14] (Mat 1:23)
14. When God enters the Temple [Mal 3:1-3] (Mat 21:12; John 2:13-18)
15. God feeding people on mountains of Israel [Psalm 23:1-2; Eze 34:11-16;
Isa 52:6-7] (Mark 6:39-42)
16. God gives Israel rest on green grass [Psalm 23:1-2] (Mark 6:39-42)
17. Only God can read minds [1King 8:39] (John 6:64; John 2:25)
18. Only God can tell the future [Isa 41:23] (John 13:19; John 14:29)
19. Can not be killed [Ecc 8:8] (John 10:17-18; Luke 23:46)
20. God can not change [Mal 3:6] (Heb 13:18)
21. Receives worship [Deu 26:10; 1King 17:36]
(Mat 2:11; Mat 14:13; Mat 9:18; Rev 19:9-10; Rev 22:9)
22. Called God the Father [Isa 9:6-7] (John 14:9; John 10:30)
[Old Testament Prophecy] (New Testament Fulfillment)
Messiah: A prophet like Moses
23. Fasted for 40 days and 40 nights [Exo 34:28] (Mat 4:2)
24. Started a Testament [Pentateuch] (Heb 9:15-20)
25. Changed the calendar [Exo 12:2]
(Dan 2:21 & Anno Domini (A.D.) or year of our Lord 2004)
26. Born when Israel was under yoke [Egypt] (Rome)
27. Anointed by God [Num 11:16-17] (Luke 4:18)
28. Gave of his spirit to people [Num 11:25] (John 7:37-39)
29. Like a god [Exo 4:16] (John 8:24-27)
30. Healed people [Hos 11:1-3] (Mat 8:16)
31. Involved in a mixed marriage [Num 12:1] (Rev 7:9)
32. Tested (temptations in the desert) [Exo 13] (Mat 4:1-6)
33. # 1 in meekness [Num 12:3] (Mat 11:29)
34. Did not defend himself [Num 12:3] (Mat 27:14)
35. Suffered for God’s people [Heb 11:16] (John 3:16)
36. Fed thousands out of nothing [Num 11:31] (Mat 14:20-21)
37. Baptized people [1Cor 10:2] (Mat 3:11)
38. Face shinning with God’s glory [Exo 34:35] (Mat 17:2)
39. Taken out of Egypt [Exo 12] (Mat 2:15)
40. Arrival time was prophesied [Exo 12:41] (Dan 9:25; Neh 2; Luke 19:39-44)
41. Arrival was preceeded by 430 years of no Word of God [Gen 15:13-14; Exo 1:6] (history tells us there are 430 years between the closing of the Old Testament and the beginning of the New Testament)
42. Whe he arrived, an order was given to kill babies [Exo 1:22] (Mat 2:16)
43. Saved the people on day of Passover by the blood [Exo 12] (Mat 26:2)
44. Liberated people from bondage, set them free [Exo 12] (Gal 5:1)
45. Ministry of miracles [Exo 4:5; Deu 34:10-12] (Acts 2:22)
46. His prophecies came to pass [Deu 18:18] (Mat 24:2)
[Old Testament Prophecy] (New Testament Fulfillment)
Messiah’s ministry
47. Shall be a priest [Psalm 110:4] (Heb 5:5-6)
48. A judge [ Isa 33:22] (John 5:22,30)
49. Special anointing with Holy Spirit [Isa 61:1-2; Isa 11:2; Isa 42:1]
(Mat 3:16-17; Mat 12:17-21; John 1:32)
50. Ministry begins in Galilee [Isa 9:1] (Mat 4:12-17)
51. Ministry of miracles [Isa 35:5-6] (Mat 9:32-35; Mat 11:4-6)
52. Teacher of parables [Psalm 78:2] (Mat 13:34)
53. No promotional gimmicks [Isa 42:1-3] (Mat 8:4; Mark 7:36)
54. Calms the seas [Psalm 89:9; Psalm 107:28-30] (Mat 8:26-27)
55. Healed people by his word [Psalm 107:20] (Mat 8:16)
56. Made intercession for sinners [Isa 53:12] (Luke 23:34)
57. Triumphal entry into Jerusalem [Zec 9:9] (Luke 19:30-44)
Messiah’s sufferings
58. Betrayed by a friend [Psalm 41:9] (Mat 10:4; Mat 26:49-50; John 13:21)
59. Sold for 30 pieces of silver [Zec 11:12] (Mat 26:15; Mat 27:3)
60. Money was thrown in God’s house [Zec 11:13] (Mat 27:5)
61. Forsaken by disciples [Zec 13:7] (Mark 14:50; Mat 26:31)
62. Accused of false witnesses [Psalm 35:11] (Mat 26:59-60)
63. Dumb before accusers [Isa 53:7] (Mat 27:12)
64. Wounded and bruised [Isa 53:5] (Mat 27:26)
65. Smitten and spit on [Isa 50:6; Micah 5:1] (Mat 26:67; Luke 22:63)
66. Mocked [Psalm 22:7-8] (Mat 27:31)
67. Fell under the cross [Psalm 109:24-25] (Luke 23:26; Mat 27:31-32)
68. Hands and feet pierced [Psalm 22:16; Zec 12:10] (Luke 23:33; John 20:25)
69. Crucified with thieves [Isa 53:12] (Mat 27:38; Mark 15:27-28)
70. Rejected by his own people [Isa 53:3; Psalm 69:8; Psalm 118:22]
(John 7:5,48; John 1:11; Mat 21:42-43)
71. Hated without a cause [Psalm 69:4; Isa 49:7] (John 15:25)
72. Friends stood afar off [Psalm 38:11] (Luke 23:49; Mark 15:40)
73. People shook their heads at him [Psalm 109:25; Psalm 22:7] (Mat 27:39)
74. Stared upon him [Psalm 22:17] (Luke 23:35)
75. Garments parted and lots cast [Psalm 22:18] (John 19:23-24)
76. To suffer thirst [Psalm 69:21; Psalm 22:15] (John 19:28)
77. Gall and vinegar offered to him [Psalm 69:21] Mat 27:34; John 19:28-29)
78. His forsaken cry (pointing to Psalm 22 a picture of the cross) [Psalm 22:1]
(Mat 27:46)
79. Committed himself to God [Psalm31:5] (Luke 23:46)
80. Bones were not broken [Psalm 34:20; Exo 12:46] (John 19:33)
81. Heart broken [Psalm 22:14] (John 19:34)
82. His side pierced [Zec 12:10] (John 19:34)
83. Darkness over the land at noon [Amos 8:9] (Mat 27:45)
84. Buried in rich man’s tomb [Isa 53:9] (Mat 27:57-60)
85. Put down from cross before sunset [Deu 21:22-23; Jos 8:29; Jos 10:26-27; Num 9:6-11] (John 19:31)
86. Killed at Passover [Exo 12:1-10] (Mat 26:2; John 13:1)
87. Resurrects during feast of firstfruits on Sunday morning [Lev 23:11]
(1Cor 15:20, 23)
88. Carried wood for his sacrifice [Gen 22:6] (John 19:16-17)
89. Killed outside city gates [Deu 16:5] (John 19:16-17)
90. And many many more!
Shalom
Deadpan Snarker
I could go through this one by one if you wanted. But alomost everything on this list is either trivial or not pertaining to the messiah at all. Read Ezekiel 37, especially from verse 21 on. That's the kind of stuff we're expecting: Ingathering of exiles, Davidic king, rebuilt temple...
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Thank you Fenris, that is great feedback. And it is coming, it sure is coming. And when it arrives, this too will happen.
Zech 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
Zech 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Shalom
Coffee Break
There are certain miracles that the devil can imitate and trick people into believing lying wonders. But there are other miracles that only God can bring. Even the magicians in Egypt could tell the difference.
Exo 12:17 And they did so; for Aaron stretched out his hand with his rod, and smote the dust of the earth, and it became lice in man, and in beast; all the dust of the land became lice throughout all the land of Egypt.
18 And the magicians did so with their enchantments to bring forth lice, but they could not: so there were lice upon man, and upon beast.
19 Then the magicians said unto Pharaoh, This is the finger of God: and Pharaoh's heart was hardened, and he hearkened not unto them; as the LORD had said.
Mt 11:23 And thou, Capernaum, which art exalted unto heaven, shalt be brought down to hell: for if the mighty works, which have been done in thee, had been done in Sodom, it would have remained until this day.
Acts 2:22 Ye men of Israel, hear these words; Jesus of Nazareth, a man approved of God among you by miracles and wonders and signs, which God did by him in the midst of you, as ye yourselves also know:
The reason why Jesus is rejected is not for lack of evidence, it is because of other reasons.
Shalom
Deadpan Snarker
Excellent!
Not understood as being about the messiah, and in any case verse 9 hasn't happened yet either.Zech 12:9 And it shall come to pass in that day, that I will seek to destroy all the nations that come against Jerusalem.
10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for his only son, and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for his firstborn.11 In that day shall there be a great mourning in Jerusalem, as the mourning of Hadadrimmon in the valley of Megiddon.
As per the rest of the chapter, this is a false prophet. Do we really want to apply this to Jesus?Zech 13:6 And one shall say unto him, What are these wounds in thine hands? Then he shall answer, Those with which I was wounded in the house of my friends.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Coffee Break
Can the devil resurrect any 3 people that I point to him in the cemetery? Can a created being do that? Does he have power over death and decomposing bodies? Can he create new bodies with the words of his mouth?
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Coffee Break
You are right, 9 has not happened yet. I did not know it was about a false prophet, I will have to check that out, thanks my friend, thank you!
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