THE AWESOME TIMING OF ARRIVAL OF MESSIAH

[Servant89]

You asked why can’t God forgive without a sacrifice? The answer is, God does forgive without anyone making a sacrifice, because it is God that makes the sacrifice. God doesn’t require a sacrifice from you that will take away sin. The Passover Lamb is a picture of the sacrifice that God provides.

God gave you a picture of this sacrifice in the Passover.

The Passover is a time of celebration, a feast unto the Lord, because there is salvation. Any Jew who did not partake of it would bear his sin. The Lamb of God came to bear our sins. Numbers 9:13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin. Notice that it says offering of the Lord

The unleavened bread is a picture of the cleansing of Jesus Christ through our eating of his body, which is the Lamb that was to be completely eaten.


Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. This was the Passover celebration that Jesus partook of with his disciples. “The Last Supper” Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 1Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Jesus Christ is that lamb that had to be completely eaten. Many of his disciples did not understand this, for they thought it was a hard saying.

This is a picture of the day of the Lord when he shall come for his people, and they are to be without sin. And they will be if they have partaken of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:29 And thus shall you eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

I am doing the Donkey dance now. Great answer !!!!

Shalom

[ProjectPeter]

Ok, I am in error. Now what? Are you going to explain to him why Jesus had to go to the cross?

And what about .... a Jew wont hear it? He might. I believe he will.

Shalom

Not in this particular thread based just on the post I replied to. It would simply be an exercise in futility. As Fenris will surely testify... I pick my targets. This one isn't the right target to aim at.

[ProjectPeter]

You asked why can’t God forgive without a sacrifice? The answer is, God does forgive without anyone making a sacrifice, because it is God that makes the sacrifice. God doesn’t require a sacrifice from you that will take away sin. The Passover Lamb is a picture of the sacrifice that God provides.

God gave you a picture of this sacrifice in the Passover.

The Passover is a time of celebration, a feast unto the Lord, because there is salvation. Any Jew who did not partake of it would bear his sin. The Lamb of God came to bear our sins. Numbers 9:13 But the man that is clean, and is not in a journey, and forbeareth to keep the passover, even the same soul shall be cut off from among his people: because he brought not the offering of the LORD in his appointed season, that man shall bear his sin. Notice that it says offering of the Lord

The unleavened bread is a picture of the cleansing of Jesus Christ through our eating of his body, which is the Lamb that was to be completely eaten.


Matthew 26:26 And as they were eating, Jesus took bread, and blessed it, and brake it, and gave it to the disciples, and said, Take, eat; this is my body. This was the Passover celebration that Jesus partook of with his disciples. “The Last Supper” Mark 14:22 And as they did eat, Jesus took bread, and blessed, and brake it, and gave to them, and said, Take, eat: this is my body. 1Corinthians 11:24 And when he had given thanks, he brake it, and said, Take, eat: this is my body, which is broken for you: this do in remembrance of me.

Jesus Christ is that lamb that had to be completely eaten. Many of his disciples did not understand this, for they thought it was a hard saying.

This is a picture of the day of the Lord when he shall come for his people, and they are to be without sin. And they will be if they have partaken of Jesus Christ, the Lamb of God. John 1:29 The next day John seeth Jesus coming unto him, and saith, Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh away the sin of the world.

John 1:29 And thus shall you eat it; with your loins girded, your shoes on your feet, and your staff in your hand; and you shall eat it in haste: it is the LORD's passover.

Matthew 24:44 Therefore be ye also ready: for in such an hour as ye think not the Son of man cometh.

Matthew 25:10 And while they went to buy, the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door was shut.

The Jews were to be ready the night of the Passover, for they were heading for the Promised Land. This is a picture of the resurrection, when all that is God’s will go into his Kingdom.

At the Passover the destroyer came, and left those alive that were covered by the blood of the lamb over the doorpost, but those that were not covered by the blood of the Lamb were taken.

Exodus 12:13 And the blood shall be to you for a token on the houses where you are: and when I see the blood, I will pass over you, and the plague shall not be on you to destroy you, when I smite the land of Egypt.

Matthew 13:30 Let both grow together until the harvest: and in the time of harvest I will say to the reapers, Gather ye together first the tares, and bind them in bundles to burn them: but gather the wheat into my barn.

The destroyer came for the tares, but the Jews were escorted safely through the water on their path to the Promised Land.

Also you have to consider Abraham, and the Lamb that God provided to save his son.

Passover... a much greater target to shoot at. The ram in the bush... another good target. Very good.

[Fenris]

Who is he then that grows up as a tender plant, and has no beauty that we should desire him? Isn't that why you rejected him, he doesn't have the beauty you want to see?

Who is it that is despised and rejected by you? Who was it that was wounded for your transgressions? Who has the Lord laid the iniquity of all of us on? Who was it that made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich. Who had no deceit in his mouth? Who did it please the Lord to bruise? Whose soul was made an offering for sin? Who was the intercessor for the sinners?

As I have explained several times, the servant in Isaiah 53 is understood as the entire Jewish people.

[Fenris]

Fenris, Rejoice44 gave you the right answer.

I don't get it.

The bible tells us multiple times that sacrifice is not necessary.

[Fenris]

You asked why can’t God forgive without a sacrifice? The answer is, God does forgive without anyone making a sacrifice, because it is God that makes the sacrifice.

Ok, so God can't forgive without sacrifice.

Why not?

[Servant89]

Ok, so God can't forgive without sacrifice.

Why not?

Thank you Fenris, Yeah, why not, I want to hear this too.

Shalom

[Firstfruits]

As I have explained several times, the servant in Isaiah 53 is understood as the entire Jewish people.

Is the following scripture about the Messiah?

Is 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Is 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be Heard in the street.

Is 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

Is 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Firstfruits

[Fenris]

Is the following scripture about the Messiah?

Sigh. Must every thread come down to the same arguments, over and over and over again? I really grow tired of this.

Are the following verses in Isaiah about the Jewish people?

* Chapter 41:8 But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9 Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"
* Chapter 44:1 And now, hearken, Jacob My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. 2 So said the Lord your Maker, and He Who formed you from the womb shall aid you. Fear not, My servant Jacob, and Jeshurun whom I have chosen. ... 21 Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me.
* Chapter 45:4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name;
* Chapter 48:20 Leave Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans; with a voice of singing declare, tell this, publicize it to the end of the earth; say, "The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob."
* Chapter 49:3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

[divaD]

As I have explained several times, the servant in Isaiah 53 is understood as the entire Jewish people.

Ok then...who would be the 'our' and the 'we' etc, in that chapter, since the 'our' and the 'we' would be different from the servant?


Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?
2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, there is no beauty that we should desire him.
3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were our faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.
4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.
5 But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.
6 All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.

so on and so on...

[Firstfruits]

Sigh. Must every thread come down to the same arguments, over and over and over again? I really grow tired of this.

Are the following verses in Isaiah about the Jewish people?

* Chapter 41:8 But you, Israel My servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham, who loved Me, 9 Whom I grasped from the ends of the earth, and from its nobles I called you, and I said to you, "You are My servant"
* Chapter 44:1 And now, hearken, Jacob My servant, and Israel whom I have chosen. 2 So said the Lord your Maker, and He Who formed you from the womb shall aid you. Fear not, My servant Jacob, and Jeshurun whom I have chosen. ... 21 Remember these, O Jacob; and Israel, for you are My servant; I formed you that you be a servant to Me, Israel, do not forget Me.
* Chapter 45:4 For the sake of My servant Jacob, and Israel My chosen one, and I called to you by your name;
* Chapter 48:20 Leave Babylon, flee from the Chaldeans; with a voice of singing declare, tell this, publicize it to the end of the earth; say, "The Lord has redeemed His servant Jacob."
* Chapter 49:3 And He said to me, "You are My servant, Israel, about whom I will boast."

The scriptures you have given are about the Jewish people, but is the following scripture about the messiah?

Is 42:1 Behold my servant, whom I uphold; mine elect, in whom my soul delighteth; I have put my spirit upon him: he shall bring forth judgment to the Gentiles.

Is 42:2 He shall not cry, nor lift up, nor cause his voice to be Heard in the street.

Is 42:3 A bruised reed shall he not break, and the smoking flax shall he not quench: he shall bring forth judgment unto truth.

Is 42:4 He shall not fail nor be discouraged, till He have set judgment in the earth: and the isles shall wait for his law.

Firstfruits

[Fenris]

Ok then...who would be the 'our' and the 'we' etc, in that chapter, since the 'our' and the 'we' would be different from the servant?

Chapter 53 actually begins at 52:13 Behold My servant shall prosper; he shall be exalted and lifted up, and he shall be very high.

52 then follows, As many wondered about you, "How marred his appearance is from that of a man, and his features from that of people!"

And then So shall he startle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.


We then begin chapter 53 Who would have believed our report. Who is the speaker here? The startled nations and the kings who shut their mouths. Basically, it's the nations of the world.

[Fenris]

The scriptures you have given are about the Jewish people, but is the following scripture about the messiah?

It's unclear; it could also be the entirety of the Jewish people. Just as 53 is understood.

[Firstfruits]

Chapter 53 actually begins at 52:13 Behold My servant shall prosper; he shall be exalted and lifted up, and he shall be very high.

52 then follows, As many wondered about you, "How marred his appearance is from that of a man, and his features from that of people!"

And then So shall he startle many nations; kings shall shut their mouths because of him, for, what had not been told them they saw, and [at] what they had not heard they gazed.


We then begin chapter 53 Who would have believed our report. Who is the speaker here? The startled nations and the kings who shut their mouths. Basically, it's the nations of the world.

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted, and having received of the Father the promise of the Holy Ghost, he hath shed forth this, which ye now see and hear.

Acts 5:31 Him hath God exalted with his right hand to be a Prince and a Saviour, for to give repentance to Israel, and forgiveness of sins.

Is 12:4 And in that day shall ye say, Praise the LORD, call upon his name, declare his doings among the people, make mention that his name is exalted.

Is 52:13 Behold, my servant shall deal prudently, he shall be exalted and extolled, and be very high.

Phil 2:9 Wherefore God also hath highly exalted him, and given him a name which is above every name:
Phil 2:10 That at the name of Jesus every knee should bow, of things in heaven, and things in earth, and things under the earth;

Firstfruits

[Fenris]

I fail to see what that has to do with my post.