The Jewish people?Originally Posted by Servant89
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The Jewish people?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Which is better, to give your heart to the servant, or the Son?
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The gospel message from the OT
Ps 40:6 Sacrifice and offering thou didst not desire; mine ears hast thou opened: burnt offering and sin offering hast thou not required.
Ps 51:16 For thou desirest not sacrifice; else would I give it: thou delightest not in burnt offering.
Hos 6:6 For I desired mercy, and not sacrifice; and the knowledge of God more than burnt offerings.
God is not pleased on that system of sacrifices to take away our sin. His mind was on a more perfect plan.
Gen 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.
3 And Abraham rose up early in the morning, and saddled his ass, and took two of his young men with him, and Isaac his son, and clave the wood for the burnt offering, and rose up, and went unto the place of which God had told him.
4 Then on the third day Abraham lifted up his eyes, and saw the place afar off.
5 And Abraham said unto his young men, Abide ye here with the ass; and I and the lad will go yonder and worship, and come again to you.
6 And Abraham took the wood of the burnt offering, and laid it upon Isaac his son; and he took the fire in his hand, and a knife; and they went both of them together.
7 And Isaac spake unto Abraham his father, and said, My father: and he said, Here am I, my son. And he said, Behold the fire and the wood: but where is the lamb for a burnt offering?
8 And Abraham said, My son, God will provide HIMSELF a lamb for a burnt offering: so they went both of them together.
Only the Creator is worth more than all Creation put together. To put an end to a system that God never liked, God decided to take care of business himself. Only by offering himself as a sacrifice, could the Creator pay for the sins of the whole world once for all. All we need to do to get in, is believe. God loves you to death Fenris, literally.
Lev 17:11 For the life of the flesh is in the blood: and I have given it to you upon the altar to make an atonement for your souls: for it is the blood that maketh an atonement for the soul.
Shalom
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
There were believers of the OT scriptures concerning the Messiah before there were christians.
Firstfruits
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Uhhh I don't really understand the question.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Don't see it as necessary. Why can't God forgive without a sacrifice?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Ah. But what did they believe?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
I live here!
You have far greater insight into the OT than I could possibly hope to have. But didn't sacrifices and forgiveness sometimes go hand in hand? What was that all about, the sacrificings, in relation to the forgiveness?
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Why can't God forgive without sacrifice?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Israel is the servant, Jesus Christ is the Son. You choose to close your eyes to the Son.
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Perfect justice does not allow for sin to go unpunished. God is just.
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There is no "son" in Isaiah 53, which is where this all began.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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So in the bible, sacrifice is really about punishing an animal?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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Who is he then that grows up as a tender plant, and has no beauty that we should desire him? Isn't that why you rejected him, he doesn't have the beauty you want to see?
Who is it that is despised and rejected by you? Who was it that was wounded for your transgressions? Who has the Lord laid the iniquity of all of us on? Who was it that made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich. Who had no deceit in his mouth? Who did it please the Lord to bruise? Whose soul was made an offering for sin? Who was the intercessor for the sinners?
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No sacrifice is about the arm of the Lord that bears our iniquity in Isaiah 53.
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