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[John146]

Did they not refer to certain scriptures when explaining doctrine/teaching?

They had conversations like this (I'm just making this up for entertainment purposes):

Student: Isn't there something in scripture about a Branch coming and judging with righteousness and stuff? That seems like cool stuff. Where can I find that?

Rabbi: As it is written "there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the..."

Student: Yeah, okay, that's the one. Cool. So, where can I find that?

Rabbi: It's there in scripture.

Student: Right, but where exactly?

Rabbi: You don't know? You should know that.

Student: Dude, I'm just learning. So, can you just tell me where to find it so I can study it?

Rabbi: It's in the book of Isaiah.

Student: Um...okay. That's kind of a long book, right? Can you be a little more specific?

Rabbi: I don't know how to be more specific except to say it's kind of toward the beginning.

Student: Like, in the first few paragraphs or something?

Rabbi: No, a little further than that.

Student: Alright, so how much further then?

Rabbi: Just read the book. You'll find it. I don't have time for this.

Student: Okay, thanks for nothing then. Yeesh.


I'm glad we don't have to have any conversations like that.

[percho]

I believe it makes for a clearer understanding. Comment on this passage.

Knowing that he which raised up the Lord Jesus shall raise up us also by Jesus, and shall present [us] with you. For all things [are] for your sakes, that the abundant grace might through the thanksgiving of many redound to the glory of God. For which cause we faint not; but though our outward man perish, yet the inward [man] is renewed day by day. For our light affliction, which is but for a moment, worketh for us a far more exceeding [and] eternal weight of glory; While we look not at the things which are seen, but at the things which are not seen: for the things which are seen [are] temporal; but the things which are not seen [are] eternal. For we know that if our earthly house of [this] tabernacle were dissolved, we have a building of God, an house not made with hands, eternal in the heavens. For in this we groan, earnestly desiring to be clothed upon with our house which is from heaven: If so be that being clothed we shall not be found naked. For we that are in [this] tabernacle do groan, being burdened: not for that we would be unclothed, but clothed upon, that mortality might be swallowed up of life. Now he that hath wrought us for the selfsame thing [is] God, who also hath given unto us the earnest of the Spirit. Therefore [we are] always confident, knowing that, whilst we are at home in the body, we are absent from the Lord: We are confident, [I say], and willing rather to be absent from the body, and to be present with the Lord. Wherefore we labour, that, whether present or absent, we may be accepted of him. For we must all appear before the judgment seat of Christ; that every one may receive the things [done] in [his] body, according to that he hath done, whether [it be] good or bad.

To me to read this from Chapter four into chapter five in this format makes it clearer that this whole passage is about resurrection of the human being the once living soul subject to death to eternal life rather that someone dying and going to heaven. It is about man who was once in a corruptible house will be in an incorruptible house at the coming of Christ understood from other scripture.

[Tonton]

Did they not refer to certain scriptures when explaining doctrine/teaching?

Firstfruits

Absolutely!

When Jesus said (Mt 27:46): "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - he "called up" the scriptures in Psalms 22. This is how scriptures were taught and remembered - not by reference numbers.

Anton

[Firstfruits]

They had conversations like this (I'm just making this up for entertainment purposes):

Student: Isn't there something in scripture about a Branch coming and judging with righteousness and stuff? That seems like cool stuff. Where can I find that?

Rabbi: As it is written "there shall come forth a rod out of the stem of Jesse, and a Branch shall grow out of his roots: And the spirit of the LORD shall rest upon him, the spirit of wisdom and understanding, the..."

Student: Yeah, okay, that's the one. Cool. So, where can I find that?

Rabbi: It's there in scripture.

Student: Right, but where exactly?

Rabbi: You don't know? You should know that.

Student: Dude, I'm just learning. So, can you just tell me where to find it so I can study it?

Rabbi: It's in the book of Isaiah.

Student: Um...okay. That's kind of a long book, right? Can you be a little more specific?

Rabbi: I don't know how to be more specific except to say it's kind of toward the beginning.

Student: Like, in the first few paragraphs or something?

Rabbi: No, a little further than that.

Student: Alright, so how much further then?

Rabbi: Just read the book. You'll find it. I don't have time for this.

Student: Okay, thanks for nothing then. Yeesh.


I'm glad we don't have to have any conversations like that.

Thank you John146,

I don't know, sounds like fun to me.

[Firstfruits]

Absolutely!

When Jesus said (Mt 27:46): "Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?" that is to say, My God, my God, why hast thou forsaken me? - he "called up" the scriptures in Psalms 22. This is how scriptures were taught and remembered - not by reference numbers.

Anton

Does that not mean only using specific sections, yet we have contention if we if we use scriptures backed by another, as you have described.

Thank you,

Firstfruits

[Tonton]

Does that not mean only using specific sections, yet we have contention if we if we use scriptures backed by another, as you have described.

Thank you,

Firstfruits

No.

It means that the scriptures were so well studied by kids, that any part of it was called to memory by referring to the topic of such part. Example: the whole of what is now known as Psalm 23 was called up to memory if someone says: "The Lord is my Shephard".

Anton

[Firstfruits]

No.

It means that the scriptures were so well studied by kids, that any part of it was called to memory by referring to the topic of such part. Example: the whole of what is now known as Psalm 23 was called up to memory if someone says: "The Lord is my Shephard".

Anton

Thank you Anton,

If we are referring to a specific topic and all scriptures concerned with that topic are considered and if needed are given what is the difference?

Firstfruits

[Tonton]

Thank you Anton,

If we are referring to a specific topic and all scriptures concerned with that topic are considered and if needed are given what is the difference?

Firstfruits

I agree with you here, Firstfruits.

The numbering helps tremendously to order material, and we have been trained to remember scriptures by their numbers now.

I think there is a place for unnumbered scriptures, but personally I prefer it numbered.

Regards,
Anton

[Firstfruits]

I agree with you here, Firstfruits.

The numbering helps tremendously to order material, and we have been trained to remember scriptures by their numbers now.

I think there is a place for unnumbered scriptures, but personally I prefer it numbered.

Regards,
Anton

Amen!

God bless you!

Firstfruits