The Existence Of God: How Do We Know That God Exists?

[vince]

[FONT="Comic Sans MS"][COLOR="purple"]I would urge you to put the church issue on the back burner for now and focus completely on just you and the Lord for the time being until things there are settled.

i've done this.

After that ... I'm sure God will lead you.

God led me out of the church.

The only thing on my mind when I came to the Lord was the separation between me and Him.

it is then your belief that i am separated from God? do you have a basis for this?

[Dani H]

it is then your belief that i am separated from God? do you have a basis for this?

Your own words.

Something about not praying because you think God has condemned you forever?

According to your faith be it unto you.

What is it you actually believe???

Because see, God's truth is what it is. His attitude toward us is what it is. It doesn't change. He loves us, He sent His Son to die for us, to save us by His grace.

But we can cut ourselves off from God's truth and the presence of the Lord through our own unbelief. Which isn't God's doing, it's ours.

That's why the Bible says we're to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith. To see what we believe about the Lord, so we can repent of false beliefs and unbelief that we've allowed ourselves to get tangled up with.

[vince]

Your own words.

no, actually you had used the word 'separated'. don't put your words in my mouth.

Something about not praying because you think God has condemned you forever?

again, you're putting your own words in my mouth. you've made an unnecessary extension of something which i said.

According to your faith be it unto you.

no, according to your faith be it unto me.

What is it you actually believe???

about what? God's existence?

Because see, God's truth is what it is. His attitude toward us is what it is. It doesn't change.

no, God's truth is as you see it in the context of your individual belief system. not as it is.

He loves us, He sent His Son to die for us, to save us by His grace.

how does this affect me?

But we can cut ourselves off from God's truth and the presence of the Lord through our own unbelief. Which isn't God's doing, it's ours.

you would not have placed me in this category if the church had not cut me off.

That's why the Bible says we're to examine ourselves to see if we're in the faith. To see what we believe about the Lord, so we can repent of false beliefs and unbelief that we've allowed ourselves to get tangled up with.

what false belief of mine are you referring to? if i wasn't excommunicated from the church, we wouldn't even be having this discussion. but you can't conscience that i could be excommunicated from the church and still be in good standing with God.

[Dani H]

no, actually you had used the word 'separated'. don't put your words in my mouth.

Moonglow, post #62: And why don't you pray? Are you afraid God really has rejected you like those elders said so think God won't hear your prayers?


You, post #64 Correct.

If God has rejected you, that means you consider yourself separated from Him. Because if I reject somebody, that means I don't desire to be around them nor them to be around me. The result of rejection is distance and separation.

[vince]

Moonglow, post #62: And why don't you pray? Are you afraid God really has rejected you like those elders said so think God won't hear your prayers?


You, post #64 Correct.

take your debate into the debate forum where it belongs.

meditation, and not prayer, brings a greater consciousness of God's omnipresence.

If God has rejected you, that means you consider yourself separated from Him.

no, if God has rejected me, that means that you consider me separated from God. i've made no such reference to separation. you're just expressing your distorted belief of a non-omnipresent God, prefering a God of merely localized presence.

Because if I reject somebody, that means I don't desire to be around them nor them to be around me.

what has God's lack of omnipresence got to do with you rejecting somebody?

The result of rejection is distance and separation.

in your own mind only. not mine. separation is an illusion.

[Dani H]

And with that, I'm done here.

If that's how you treat everyone who desires to help and guide you, it's no wonder that you are where you are.

Best of luck.

[Athanasius]

He's already admitted to trolling, incidentally

[Dani H]

He's already admitted to trolling, incidentally

Where? Do tell.

[Athanasius]

Where? Do tell.

A few pages back, when he told me that he didn't view Willow Creek Church as an authentic, biblical church.

Edit*

Really? So you've been excommunicated by a church which you don't even consider true Christianity?....

correct.

So everything you've said in this thread doesn't apply to you?

not sure what you mean. what wouldn't apply?

"Non-denominational" churches didn't exist in the NT either. If you've been excommunicated by one, you haven't been excommunicated by a biblical church, according to your definition.

correct.

At this point I asked him if he was trolling - that's when he stopped responding.

[NHL Fever]

human beings are attempting to awaken to greater consciousness. the signature of a creator-consciousness is imprinted externally throughout the cosmos and internally within the design of the human being.

I can't tell if you're agreeing or disagreeing. If the greater consciousness if God, then it makes sense.