"When I Have Opened Your Graves"

[awestruckchild]

With the understanding that the following scriptures will be fulfilled at judgment day, after the millenium,
should we or Israel expect to inherit the promised land before that time?

Ezek 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Ezek 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Is 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for Thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Dan 12:2 And many of them that sleep in the dust of the earth shall awake, some to everlasting life, and some to shame and everlasting contempt.

God bless you!

Firstfruits

I never noticed this before, but Is 26:19.........together with my dead body shall they arise
His dead body has already risen and this seems to me to tie in with: and they saw many of their dead walking around...

[Firstfruits]

This is true, but why do you think that Ezekiel is talking about literal graves, rather than figurative graves?

Then we have no hope of redemption.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

I never noticed this before, but Is 26:19.........together with my dead body shall they arise
His dead body has already risen and this seems to me to tie in with: and they saw many of their dead walking around...

Then there would have to be more than one last day, and judgment day.

Firstfruits

[awestruckchild]

Then there would have to be more than one last day, and judgment day.

Firstfruits

Hmm...why does it all have to be about the last day of judgement?
Because otherwise, it seems like He has to rise from the dead more than once....
Just because one verse speaks of a future or past thing does not mean that the next one necessarily does. For instance, the verse Jesus quoted in the synagogue and then sat down, not reading the rest of it, because the rest of it was future.

[Firstfruits]

Hmm...why does it all have to be about the last day of judgement?
Because otherwise, it seems like He has to rise from the dead more than once....
Just because one verse speaks of a future or past thing does not mean that the next one necessarily does. For instance, the verse Jesus quoted in the synagogue and then sat down, not reading the rest of it, because the rest of it was future.

All that Jesus spoke of concerns the last day.

Jn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Firstfruits

[awestruckchild]

All that Jesus spoke of concerns the last day.

Jn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Firstfruits

Okay, I think I see now what you believe. You believe we sleep until then instead of going to be with Him when we die? I think?

[awestruckchild]

But why do we have to assume He is speaking of the exact same moment that Isaiah was speaking of? I mean, I know why you do, but I don't see it as having to be. I never thought what I had seemed to glean from my reading was so insane sounding to so many others. It just seemed logical to me. But truthfully, you said in your op that you wanted to have a conversation based on a certain timeline/belief, so I won't derail your thread any further. But thanks for talking with me!

[Firstfruits]

Okay, I think I see now what you believe. You believe we sleep until then instead of going to be with Him when we die? I think?

How do you explain what Jesus said about the "LAST DAY"

Jn 6:39 And this is the Father's will which hath sent me, that of all which he hath given me I should lose nothing, but should raise it up again at the last day.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:44 No man can come to me, except the Father which hath sent me draw him: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 6:54 Whoso eateth my flesh, and drinketh my blood, hath eternal life; and I will raise him up at the last day.

Jn 11:24 Martha saith unto him, I know that he shall rise again in the resurrection at the last day.

Jn 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words, hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

Firstfruits

[Firstfruits]

But why do we have to assume He is speaking of the exact same moment that Isaiah was speaking of? I mean, I know why you do, but I don't see it as having to be. I never thought what I had seemed to glean from my reading was so insane sounding to so many others. It just seemed logical to me. But truthfully, you said in your op that you wanted to have a conversation based on a certain timeline/belief, so I won't derail your thread any further. But thanks for talking with me!

Would the las day not be when when believers are expecting the graves to be opened?

Firstfruits

[awestruckchild]

Would the las day not be when when believers are expecting the graves to be opened?

Firstfruits

Well then, maybe it would help me to understand what you make of the verse that says: and they saw many of their dead walking around.

[Firstfruits]

Well then, maybe it would help me to understand what you make of the verse that says: and they saw many of their dead walking around.

I would say that was not the last day, I would say that those that arose at that time are no longer alive. At the last day we shall never die, but have everlasting life.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Firstfruits

[awestruckchild]

I would say that was not the last day, I would say that those that arose at that time are no longer alive. At the last day we shall never die, but have everlasting life.

Jn 6:40 And this is the will of him that sent me, that every one which seeth the Son, and believeth on him, may have everlasting life: and I will raise him up at the last day.

Firstfruits

So some were raised from their graves at that time. But it wasn't the last day. But they aren't in their incorruptible bodies are they? Won't they also be raised on the last day with incorruptible bodies?

Also, Isaiah calls the millenial reign the last days and that goes on for a thousand years....somewhere toward the beginning of Isaiah I think. And the apostles said we were in the last days.

And during the millenial reign, it does not say that there will be no disputes or arguments or else why would Jesus mediate between nations bringing their disputes to Him. There will be no more war, but there will be disputes and misunderstandings. So it seems to me that even though Isaiah and at least one of the other prophets calls those thousand years the last days, well, I hope you get what I'm saying there. Wait, it occurs to me that you probably think those thousand years are not literal or that we won't return with Him then....my point WAS going to be that , well, never mind. We just read so much of it so differently.

[BroRog]

Then we have no hope of redemption.

Rom 8:23 And not only they, but ourselves also, which have the firstfruits of the Spirit, even we ourselves groan within ourselves, waiting for the adoption, to wit, the redemption of our body.

Firstfruits

Sure we do. The point is, you are taking Ezekiel literally when he was talking figuratively. Or do you actually care what Ezekiel meant to say?

[Firstfruits]

Sure we do. The point is, you are taking Ezekiel literally when he was talking figuratively. Or do you actually care what Ezekiel meant to say?

The scriptures speak of resurrection from the dead, Jesus said that will be on the last day. Is that incorrect?

Ezek 37:12 Therefore prophesy and say unto them, Thus saith the Lord GOD; Behold, O my people, I will open your graves, and cause you to come up out of your graves, and bring you into the land of Israel.
Ezek 37:13 And ye shall know that I am the LORD, when I have opened your graves, O my people, and brought you up out of your graves,

Is 26:19 Thy dead men shall live, together with my dead body shall they arise. Awake and sing, ye that dwell in dust: for Thy dew is as the dew of herbs, and the earth shall cast out the dead.

Firstfruits

[BroRog]

The scriptures speak of resurrection from the dead, Jesus said that will be on the last day. Is that incorrect?

Yes, there will be a resurrection from the dead. But I'm not asking you what Jesus said; I'm asking you what Ezekiel said. You don't seem to care what Ezekiel was talkiing about but seem quite satisfied to superimpose what Jesus said on top of what Ezekiel said. Is that right? Are you content to superimpose one text over another?