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    What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols...

    How does this pertain to us in the church today?
    I do believe an idol can be anything put before God.
    How does eating the food sacrificed to them fit in?

    Please give examples if possible.
    Area of scripture:
    Revelations 2:18-26 (To the Church in Thyatira)

    20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
    21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
    22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
    23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
    24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
    Peace to you!

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby_Snacks View Post
    What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols...

    How does this pertain to us in the church today?
    I do believe an idol can be anything put before God.
    How does eating the food sacrificed to them fit in?

    Please give examples if possible.
    Area of scripture:
    Revelations 2:18-26 (To the Church in Thyatira)

    20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
    21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
    22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
    23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
    24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
    Hi,

    The passage refers to meat that was literally sacrificed to idols. The Israelites ate meat from some of their sacrifices. The pagans did likewise. It is the meat that was knowingly sacrificed to idols that was forbidden. In our culture animals are not sacrificed so this is not something that would necessarily pertain to us.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Thank you so much Butch5 for your input!

    Hi,

    The passage refers to meat that was literally sacrificed to idols. The Israelites ate meat from some of their sacrifices. The pagans did likewise. It is the meat that was knowingly sacrificed to idols that was forbidden. In our culture animals are not sacrificed so this is not something that would necessarily pertain to us.
    Yes, I agree we do not literally place animals on an alter to be sacrificed these days, and in that context we would have to find food that had been sacrificed to baal or asherah etc. and eat it in order to fall into this category of people in the Church of Thyatira.

    I believe I will ask the mods to move this to end times chat, as I see the 7 churches described in Revelations as pertinent to today as well as in the past.

    Thank you again!
    Peace to you!

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby_Snacks View Post
    Thank you so much Butch5 for your input!



    Yes, I agree we do not literally place animals on an alter to be sacrificed these days, and in that context we would have to find food that had been sacrificed to baal or asherah etc. and eat it in order to fall into this category of people in the Church of Thyatira.

    I believe I will ask the mods to move this to end times chat, as I see the 7 churches described in Revelations as pertinent to today as well as in the past.

    Thank you again!
    Hi Scooby,

    I agree that things written to the 7 churches may apply today, howver, I don't think this is one of them unless we wwere actually eating meat sacrificed to animals.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    I am in prayer regarding this,

    My spiritual food today is The Word of God.
    Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner and snacks.

    Perhaps this is speaking of spiritual food that has been tainted/twisted or blungeoned in some way to no longer resemble what we know to be His Truth.

    I did ask to have the thread moved, so that I can get this out of my system... if Gods leading was actually my own.
    Peace to you!

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    I think Butch is right on. The scripture you mentioned deals specifically with food sacrificed to idols. I think it's that plain and simple.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby_Snacks View Post
    I am in prayer regarding this,

    My spiritual food today is The Word of God.
    Breakfast, Lunch, Dinner and snacks.

    Perhaps this is speaking of spiritual food that has been tainted/twisted or blungeoned in some way to no longer resemble what we know to be His Truth.

    I did ask to have the thread moved, so that I can get this out of my system... if Gods leading was actually my own.
    My friend, the pagans ate real meat sacrificed to idols that is what He is speaking of. This is not Spiritual meat.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    St Paul in his letter to the Corinthains and St John the Divine in Revelation were writing about literal food being sacrificed to idols and eating it.

    Now if you want to see how the early church fathers interpreted that in a spiritual sense I would suggest looking at the Ancient Christian Commentary Series edited by Thomas Oden. I will most likely have 2 or 3 commentaries on this passage from early theologians, showing how they preached on this passage or how they interprated it for their churches.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Jesus tells the church at Thyatira that he does not approve of eating food sacrificed to idols.
    Paul tells the Corinthian church to eat the meat unless a weaker brother mentions it.

    There is an important principle to be learned here. Assuming Jesus and Paul are both right, what is going on?

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    To go along with what BroRog is asking, the "meat sacrificed to idols" was actual "idol-meat" that, in Romans, Paul used as a context or as a reason to talk about permissible things that are not beneficial in the name of love. To honor the principle that Paul is highlighting in Romans in our day, one could remove "idol-meat" and insert "alcohol". The principle in Romans is about giving up one's personal rights in the name of loving our brothers and sisters who stumble because of our liberty in things that are permissible but not necessarily beneficial to the community of believers as a whole.

    The intensity of the situation in Revelation 2 is sort of, but sort of isn't, connected to this principle, as the prophetess is promoting the practice of eating meat sacrificed to idols, along with the practice of sexual immorality, in the name of spirituality - and the church was tolerating this teaching in their midst.

    Again, the modern day parallel would be a small group / home group leader in a large church promoting sexual immorality and drinking, say, blood, (the alcohol analogy breaks down here as what Jezebel was doing was far more serious) as a means to connect to the deep things of God...and the church leadership tolerates that teaching within their spiritual culture. Within the broader culture of Thyatira, many had been delivered from idol worship and the actual, literal meat-eating that accompanied those ceremonies - and the prophetess was encouraging (seducing) them to return to the practice, possibly excusing it in the guise of connecting to Jesus better by doing so.

    The modern-day application related to the end-times - the season of time on the earth before the return of Jesus - would be the coming seduction of believers into immoral and demonic practices in the name of spirituality and, possibly, even a "deeper" connection to Jesus. What actually happened then is instructive of what will probably happen again, as it relates to what the actual practices of that day were, not a "spiritual" interpretation. In other words, while we probably won't see a prophetess actually teach people to eat meat sacrificed to idols, we may see preachers teach people to engage in demonic practices with the name of Jesus attached to them. Beyond the specifics (which we can't know right now) is the principle - which I believe is an invitation for believers right now to overcome sensuality, immorality, and the things of their past that they were set free from - and to boldly confront false teaching in our spiritual communities that seduces believers (not tolerate it in the name of mercy or compassion).
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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    The modern-day application related to the end-times - the season of time on the earth before the return of Jesus - would be the coming seduction of believers into immoral and demonic practices in the name of spirituality and, possibly, even a "deeper" connection to Jesus. What actually happened then is instructive of what will probably happen again, as it relates to what the actual practices of that day were, not a "spiritual" interpretation. In other words, while we probably won't see a prophetess actually teach people to eat meat sacrificed to idols, we may see preachers teach people to engage in demonic practices with the name of Jesus attached to them. Beyond the specifics (which we can't know right now) is the principle - which I believe is an invitation for believers right now to overcome sensuality, immorality, and the things of their past that they were set free from - and to boldly confront false teaching in our spiritual communities that seduces believers (not tolerate it in the name of mercy or compassion).
    Thank you The Rookie,

    This makes more sense to me.
    I believe the letters to the churches can help us to understand what it is we are doing right, and what must be avoided.
    Seduction and deception are alive and well.
    I feel as though you have answered my question very well, and as you mentioned, the specifics may be unknown, but we can watch and pray for discernment and truth.
    Peace to you!

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby_Snacks View Post
    Thank you The Rookie,

    This makes more sense to me.
    I believe the letters to the churches can help us to understand what it is we are doing right, and what must be avoided.
    Seduction and deception are alive and well.
    I feel as though you have answered my question very well, and as you mentioned, the specifics may be unknown, but we can watch and pray for discernment and truth.

    7 years have moved on since this post was created and now we are seeing a much clearer example of it's meaning. This scripture relates directly to false doctrines entering the church...
    "She calls herself a prophetess and deceives God's people with deep teaching, teaching that is idolatrous.." (a movement that seems very Christian and even demonstrates spiritual gifts).

    Misleads = manipulates deceptively
    Food= spiritual food (teaching)
    Sacrificed to idols= the worship of a false God


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    Look what was already happening at the time Jude was written:

    4 For there are certain men crept in unawares, who were before of old ordained to this condemnation, ungodly men, turning the grace of our God into lasciviousness, and denying the only Lord God, and our Lord Jesus Christ.

    [...]

    12 These are spots in your feasts of charity, when they feast with you, feeding themselves without fear: clouds they are without water, carried about of winds; trees whose fruit withereth, without fruit, twice dead, plucked up by the roots;

    13 Raging waves of the sea, foaming out their own shame; wandering stars, to whom is reserved the blackness of darkness for ever.

    14 And Enoch also, the seventh from Adam, prophesied of these, saying, Behold, the Lord cometh with ten thousands of his saints,

    15 To execute judgment upon all, and to convince all that are ungodly among them of all their ungodly deeds which they have ungodly committed, and of all their hard speeches which ungodly sinners have spoken against him.

    16 These are murmurers, complainers, walking after their own lusts; and their mouth speaketh great swelling words, having men's persons in admiration because of advantage.

    17 But, beloved, remember ye the words which were spoken before of the apostles of our Lord Jesus Christ;

    18 How that they told you there should be mockers in the last time, who should walk after their own ungodly lusts.

    19 These be they who separate themselves [lit. who set apart themselves (active)], sensual [some say, 'governed by the senses [soul/soulish]'], having not the Spirit.


    Already happening back then.

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    Re: What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols

    Quote Originally Posted by Scooby_Snacks View Post
    What does it mean to eat food sacrificed to idols...

    How does this pertain to us in the church today?
    I do believe an idol can be anything put before God.
    How does eating the food sacrificed to them fit in?

    Please give examples if possible.
    Area of scripture:
    Revelations 2:18-26 (To the Church in Thyatira)

    20 Nevertheless, I have this against you: You tolerate that woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophet. By her teaching she misleads my servants into sexual immorality and the eating of food sacrificed to idols.
    21 I have given her time to repent of her immorality, but she is unwilling.
    22 So I will cast her on a bed of suffering, and I will make those who commit adultery with her suffer intensely, unless they repent of her ways.
    23 I will strike her children dead. Then all the churches will know that I am he who searches hearts and minds, and I will repay each of you according to your deeds.
    24 Now I say to the rest of you in Thyatira, to you who do not hold to her teaching and have not learned Satan’s so-called deep secrets, ‘I will not impose any other burden on you, 25 except to hold on to what you have until I come.’
    If I gave you a gift--perhaps something innocuous or even nice--and you found out that gift had been bought at a fair booth where Wiccans had devoted all items sold to Mother Earth, would you want to keep the gift?

    Probably not. Still, you may be willing to keep the gift, if the item was an item made somewhere else and had only been funneled through the Wiccan retail outlet. You don't really want to support Wiccans in any way. But you may not find they actually *contaminated* the items in selling them at their booth.

    But what if you began to teach fellow Christians that it was okay to put up in your house seductive pictures, voodoo artifacts, and an assortment of pagan symbols? Would that be good?

    No, that would be telling fellow Christians that even if evil spirits are not *in* the items, it's okay to seem to condone evil practices as "external" and not inwardly contaminating.

    In fact the act of showing little concern for paganism in your house *is* inwardly contaminating. That's because it is communicating a false message, that exterminating pagan ideas in our lives is unimportant. It would not be properly communicating repentance in the gospel message.

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