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What someone has to live on is only half the story. If you can feed your family and pay your bills with $1/day then if you've got $2/day you're doing pretty well.Originally Posted by notuptome
For perspective, I guy I worked with a few years back sent about $150/mo to a relative in Sri Lanka. With that $150 (about $5/day) she paid rent on a 3-bedroom house, paid all her bills, all her food for her and her children, and usually had some left over to share with other relatives.
1Jn 4:1 NKJV Beloved, do not believe every spirit, but test the spirits, whether they are of God; because many false prophets have gone out into the world.
1Th 5:21-22 NKJV Test all things; hold fast what is good. (22) Abstain from every form of evil.
Deadpan Snarker
Then there's this great news.
That's just great, Obama. FYI, the "Palestinian wing" of the Muslim brotherhood is better known as "Hamas." Either our president doesn't know that or (even worse) he doesn't care.The Obama administration said Monday for the first time that it supports a role for groups such as the Muslim Brotherhood, a banned Islamist organization, in a reformed Egyptian government.
Deadpan Snarker
I seldom agree with this guy, but he's correct here.
A democratic Egypt or a state of hate?
By Richard Cohen
Tuesday, February 1, 2011;
Things are about to go from bad to worse in the Middle East. An Israeli-Palestinian peace agreement is nowhere in sight. Lebanon just became a Hezbollah state, which is to say that Iran has become an even more important regional power, and Egypt, once stable if tenuously so, has been pitched into chaos. This is the most dire prospect of them all. The dream of a democratic Egypt is sure to produce a nightmare.
Egypt's problems are immense. It has a population it cannot support, a standard of living that is stagnant and a self-image as leader of the (Sunni) Arab world that does not, really, correspond to reality. It also lacks the civic and political institutions that are necessary for democracy. The next Egyptian government - or the one after - might well be composed of Islamists. In that case, the peace with Israel will be abrogated and the mob currently in the streets will roar its approval.
My take on all this is relentlessly gloomy. I care about Israel. I care about Egypt, too, but its survival is hardly at stake. I care about democratic values, but they are worse than useless in societies that have no tradition of tolerance or respect for minority rights. What we want for Egypt is what we have ourselves. This, though, is an identity crisis. We are not them.
It's impossible now to get a fix on what is happening in Egypt. The Muslim Brotherhood seems to be lying low. Is this a reflection of weakness or canniness? The Brotherhood remains the only well-organized institution in Egypt other than the military. It has been underground for generations - jailed, tortured, infiltrated, but still, somehow, flourishing. Its moment may be approaching.
Under a different name (Hamas), the Muslim Brotherhood runs the Gaza Strip. Hamas's charter states unequivocally that it wants to eradicate Israel. It mentions the 1978 Camp David accords, and not with admiration. ("Egypt was, to a great extent, removed from the circle of the struggle through the treacherous Camp David Agreement.") No doubt that in an Egyptian election, the call to repudiate the treaty will prove popular - as popular as the peace with Israel has not been.
The Muslim Brotherhood's most influential thinker was the Egyptian Sayyid Qutb. He was hanged in 1966, but not before he had managed to turn out a vast amount of writings. He showed almost superhuman courage and was, in many respects, a formidable man. But he was also a racist, a bigot, a misogynist, an anti-Semite and a fervent hater of most things American. As if to prove that familiarity breeds contempt, he had spent about two years in the United States.
The Egyptian crisis has produced the usual blather about the role of America. The United States remains powerful and important, but it has already lost control of events - not that it ever really had it. Moreover, it hardly matters what Washington now says. The Islamists of the Brotherhood do not despise America for what it does but for what it is. Read Qutb's purplish alarm at the dress and appearance of American women. Read his racist remarks about blacks. The Islamic state Qutb envisioned would be racist, anti-Semitic and anti-Christian as well. It would treat women as the Taliban now does - if only because the Taliban, too, reveres Qutb. He rejected a clemency offer, saying his words would matter more if he was dead. He was right.
Majority rule is a worthwhile idea. But so, too, are respect for minorities, freedom of religion, the equality of women and adherence to treaties, such as the one with Israel, the only democracy in the region. It's possible that the contemporary Islamists of Egypt think differently about these matters than did Qutb. If that's the case, then there is no cause for concern. But Hamas in the Gaza Strip, although recently moderating its message, suggests otherwise. So does Iran.
Those Americans and others who cheer the mobs in the streets of Cairo and other Egyptian cities, who clamor for more robust anti-Mubarak statements from the Obama administration, would be wise to let Washington proceed slowly. Hosni Mubarak is history. He has stayed too long, been too recalcitrant - and, for good reason, let his fear of the future ossify the present. Egypt and the entire Middle East are on the verge of convulsing. America needs to be on the right side of human rights. But it also needs to be on the right side of history. This time, the two may not be the same.
As usual, I post things for a reason. The non students of prophecy usually never have any useful input on end times matters and only once in a while do students of prophecy see what is going on.
As far as this thing with Egypt goes, for this type of revolt good or bad, started in Tunisia, spread to Egypt and in now active in Yemen and Jordan.
With stuff like this its better to look at the broad side of it all instead of the details in the news because the details are just fight, blood and gore, political details and such and is to narrow a view to see what is going on.
Back up some. Take the panoramic view. In order for Armageddon to come to pass Israels Arab neighbors gear up against Israel for war and go about that task right? Right. So, would Egypt, Jordan, Syria take it upon themselves to go to war as is with the status quo in their governments against Israel? No. How could it happen? If these governments fell by one method or another and were replaced with or subverted by or overthrown by those interests of Arabs that despise Israel. Simply enough to understand.
It's not in the headlines right now but Israel is shaking in its boots for fear. Why?
Because they see coming what I see coming and it ain't pretty. These nations over there at some point will collectively turn against Israel. If not then prophecy is an outright lie right? Right. So, if Egypt turns out to get the type of government that is against Israel what would be the first thing that government did? They would force Israel back to its pre 6 day war borders right? Right. simple enough. That sets the clock ticking.
I also sets it ticking with Jordan and Syria because they all there lost huge chunks of their nations that were never returned to them when they were defeated in war hence they are called occupied territories. Any new government coming along can nullify any peace treaties former leaders made to give Israel all that real estate for the purpose of expanding their borders and demand that in place of that International law be enforced to the tune of it being illegal to invade a nation and take that land in national ownership. It would be like if we had defeated Iraq and then divided the country up into additional US states.
Plus if all this happens and at some time it will, the US can't defend Israel against all these nations since its troops are stretched to far and wide in a 10 year war so far and nationally is as good as bankrupt. A draft? That would create utter chaos in every American city. It wouldn't work, and is another reason why the kings of the west make no appearance in prophecy because they, or rather us, are out of business by then.
Israel would have nothing but the nuclear option because it could never be successful in simultaneously going to war with so many nations.
So there is the perfect outline of what is most likely going to happen.
Last edited by napsnsnacks; Feb 3rd 2011 at 04:16 PM.
Until you've lost all faith in humanity you will be forever blind.
Veteran
This is the problem. Obama knows full well that. He is like minded.
Comments please. It's an open conversation.
Until you've lost all faith in humanity you will be forever blind.
Formerly moonglow
The scriptures though just say they surround the holy City..no battle actually happens that I see...God destroys them.
Revelation 16
12 Then the sixth angel poured out his bowl on the great river Euphrates, and its water was dried up, so that the way of the kings from the east might be prepared. 13 And I saw three unclean spirits like frogs coming out of the mouth of the dragon, out of the mouth of the beast, and out of the mouth of the false prophet. 14 For they are spirits of demons, performing signs, which go out to the kings of the earth and of the whole world, to gather them to the battle of that great day of God Almighty.
15 “Behold, I am coming as a thief. Blessed is he who watches, and keeps his garments, lest he walk naked and they see his shame.”
16 And they gathered them together to the place called in Hebrew, Armageddon.
Revelation 20
7 Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison 8 and will go out to deceive the nations which are in the four corners of the earth, Gog and Magog, to gather them together to battle, whose number is as the sand of the sea. 9 They went up on the breadth of the earth and surrounded the camp of the saints and the beloved city. And fire came down from God out of heaven and devoured them. 10 The devil, who deceived them, was cast into the lake of fire and brimstone where the beast and the false prophet are. And they will be tormented day and night forever and ever.
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