Deadpan Snarker
I beg to differ. the king might make exceptions for his posse that wouldn't apply to the general public.Originally Posted by ProjectPeter
Yes, God gave them- through the nations that He sent to conquer Israel.No... that passage doesn't say that it was laws of other nations. God says I GAVE them.
Find some scripture that breaks the laws out into "good laws" and "bad laws". It doesn't exist. Read Psalm 119. David embraces the law. All of it.
guest
God gave all of it and it is all profitable for the believer including the poetic parts.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
Veteran
The Law was given to be the rules of God's household. At one time you belonged to Egypt and Pharaoh, but God has brought you out of the household of Egypt and into His. No longer will you serve Egypt's gods or Pharoah, for now you are God's people. And being now people of God's household, you will live by His rules. You shall have no other gods before Me...You shall not make any graven images....You shall not....etc. etc.
Really, the sarcasm isn't necessary. I wish to take your posts seriously, but the sarcasm and posturing is making it difficult. My qeustion still remains unanswered.
Besides, you've read the passage I quoted out of context. If you want to know what God's view is of the value of the Law, please read the parable of Lazarus. It's all there, right from the mouth of Jesus.
In regard to your context, I would go with this:
1 If then you were raised with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ is, sitting at the right hand of God. 2 Set your mind on things above, not on things on the earth. 3 For you died, and your life is hidden with Christ in God. 4 When Christ who is our life appears, then you also will appear with Him in glory.
5 Therefore put to death your members which are on the earth: fornication, uncleanness, passion, evil desire, and covetousness, which is idolatry. 6 Because of these things the wrath of God is coming upon the sons of disobedience, 7 in which you yourselves once walked when you lived in them.
8 But now you yourselves are to put off all these: anger, wrath, malice, blasphemy, filthy language out of your mouth. 9 Do not lie to one another, since you have put off the old man with his deeds, 10 and have put on the new man who is renewed in knowledge according to the image of Him who created him, 11 where there is neither Greek nor Jew, circumcised nor uncircumcised, barbarian, Scythian, slave nor free, but Christ is all and in all.
Where do you think the bolded parts come from in the Bible?
So then I propose God's 'intent' remains a mystery. Probably connected with Paul's sod in Romans 11
Deadpan Snarker
Something else king David had to say about the law: Psalm 19
8. The law of the Lord is perfect, restoring the soul; the testimony of the Lord is faithful, making the simple one wise.
9. The orders of the Lord are upright, causing the heart to rejoice; the commandment of the Lord is clear, enlightening the eyes.
10. The fear of the Lord is pure, existing forever; the judgments of the Lord are true, altogether just.
11. They are to be desired more than gold, yea more than much fine gold, and are sweeter than honey and drippings of honeycombs.
12. Also Your servant was careful with them; for in observing them there is great reward.
Doesn't sound like he thinks it's a "punishment" to me. He isn't making the point of there being "good laws" and "bad laws". He thinks it's all perfect.
Fenris... anything that prohibits eating bacon is bound to be punishment.
Hard to argue with that logic, huh?
For what mortal has ever heard the voice of the living God speaking out of fire, as we have, and survived? ~ Deuteronomy 5:26
If you're not prepared to risk your very life for your "enemy" you have no right to speak to him of love. ~ Daughter
Many say they are called... but I am pretty convinced that with many of them it was the wrong number. ~ Project Peter
Deadpan Snarker
Sigh. You guys know me too well....Fenris... anything that prohibits eating bacon is bound to be punishment.
I guess I can take some comfort in that.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
eating dead worms....ewwwwww. To me, that is punishment.Fenris... anything that prohibits eating bacon is bound to be punishment.
Hard to argue with that logic, huh?
guest
No. It's called foreknowledge. Just because God does something in time with us doesn't mean he doesn't know the outcome during the process. Adam sinning? Abraham believing? How many righteous in Sodom? etc.....
Eph 1:9 Having made known unto us the mystery of his will, according to his good pleasure which he hath purposed in himself:
come again?
That was not my context. I wasn't referring to the forknowledge of God who knew my future from the foundation of the world. For us it is a mystery until God chooses to reveal it.
My reference was Paul's reference to the "mystery" of the salvation of the Gentiles. Chapter 11.
2 Peter 1:1-11 Live it!
Came from God's Law. And rest assured... I wasn't in the least bit sarcastic in that response. I marvel at this idea that the Law of Moses gave life. You can tell me I took it out of context all day long but you have a major problem. That is the context in which you argue. The Law of Moses did not give life... never gave life to anyone.
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Deadpan Snarker
But that's exactly how Jews see it- giving life.
There is a blessing that is made after reading from the Torah. It has the phrase "...You planted eternal life in our midst..." - by giving us the Law.
And why do you refer to it as "the law of Moses"? Is it not God's laws?
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
2 Peter 1:1-11 Live it!
I know they see it that way..... never refuted that. Tis my point actually.
Because it was the Law of Moses... not God's Law. God gave ten and added no others.
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A.W. Tozer said, "To escape the error of salvation by works we have fallen into the opposite error of salvation without obedience.”
GO.... SERVE YOUR KING!
Deadpan Snarker
Hmm in the bible seems pretty plain that God added many more.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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