Before The Beginning Was God

[GodIsGreat2me]

God told Moses His name - I AM -

not, I WAS, not I WILL BE. I AM. Always has been, is now and always will be.

There is no time as we know it in eternity. The term "beginning" only has meaning to man. For God, for the Father, the Son and the Holy Spirit, there is no time.

I did not ask you for an explanation of your opinion. I asked you If you can believe what I stated. Please answer with a yes or no on this question I have asked you. Can you believe that God was God before the beginning?

[GodIsGreat2me]

I can answer my own question with a yes or no.

I say yes I can.

So I have proved you can answer my question with a yes or no.

[GodIsGreat2me]

Ill even give you a 3rd option. I do not know.

That makes

1.yes
2.no
3. I do not know.

Thank You

[Vhayes]

I did not ask you for an explanation of your opinion. I asked you If you can believe what I stated. Please answer with a yes or no on this question I have asked you. Can you believe that God was God before the beginning?

I cannot DO that because I do not think there WAS a beginning - at least not as we know it.

[GodIsGreat2me]

I cannot DO that because I do not think there WAS a beginning - at least not as we know it.

Thank you for your answer.

[Br. Barnabas]

Before the beginning was God(God is infinite)

In the beginning was the Word.(The Son of God)

The Word was with God(Father and Son)

The Word was God.(The Son became one with the Father)

The Word was made flesh.(The Son of God became the son of man)

Which is Christ.

The true Light.

That John was sent to bare witness of.

Who's Name is Jesus Christ.

The part in bold is wrong! The Son did not become one with the Father before the Father spoke the Word they were together after the Father spoke the Word, the Word and the Spirit proceeded from the Father. Because the Father, Son, and Holy Spirit are God they are all one. The Father cannot become the Son, nor the Son the Father, nor the Father the Spirit, nor the Son the Father, nor the Son the Spirit, nor the Spirit the Father, nor the Spirit the Son. They are all one God but each a seperate person unconfusable with any other person of the Trinity.

From before the beginning when the universe was spoken into being the Word and the Spirit were with the Father yet distinct from the Father. The Son was with the Father in his mind as a thought is in our mind yet he was not the Father or confusable with the Father he was his own person even as he was in the Father same with the Spirit who was the breath of the Father. Once the Father spoke saying let there by Light, the Word and the Spirit burst forth from the Father's lips creating the word and taking their own form as Word and Spirit, they proceeded from the Father. At this point God was truly 1 and yet 3 as the Father, Son/Word, and Holy Spirit were and are God and yet three persons.

[Br. Barnabas]

Before the beginning was the Father.

In the beginning was the Son.

The Son was with the Father.

The Son was the Father.

The Son of the Father was made the son of man.

Which is Christ.

The true Light.

That John was sent to bare witness of.

Who's Name is Jesus Christ.

Again these statements in bold are wrong.

The Son was around before the beginning he was eternally begotten. That is from before time, before the beginning the Son was because the Son is God he has always existed. If it is as you say that "In the beginning was the Son." Then the Son is a creature and we fall into Arianism which is an ancient heresy condemned by the Council of Nicea in 325.

Yet you try to guard against Arianism by saying that the Son was the Father and yet fall into another heresy in this regard. You fall into a type of Modalism (which teaches God is really just one and is seen in different modes, ie the Father in the OT, the Son in the Incarnation and the Spirit as Pentecost) and Patripassianism (which says the Father suffered on the Cross because he was the incarnation. So in saying the Son was the Father you make a grave mistake. They are not the same they are both God and that is an acceptable statement but they cannot and ever were the or one.

[GodIsGreat2me]

You would be correct if you had said to me

"I believe these statements you have made that I have pointed out in bold are wrong."

It takes a great measure of faith to exceed the limitations of the flesh.

[Br. Barnabas]

You would be correct if you had said to me

"I believe these statements you have made that I have pointed out in bold are wrong."

It takes a great measure of faith to exceed the limitations of the flesh.

No according to the special revelation we have recieved in the Bible you are wrong. In the revelation that the church has given us in the form of theology and doctrine you are wrong. Just because you believe a statement to be true does not make it true. If you believe a statement which is false to be true it does not make the statement any less false. The statement that I highlighted in bold are false they cannot be true according to the revealed nature of God. God through his great grace has revealed some truths about himself to us, there are several things that God has kept hidden from us, but what has been revealed is true and cannot be false. What you stated and I highlighted is false because it has been revealed by God to be false. Sorry if you choose not to or cannot see that but when we have been given the light we cannot hide in the darkness.

[The Mighty Sword]

this is a funny thread. Thanks.

[GodIsGreat2me]

this is a funny thread. Thanks.

I hope your statement is not meant as disrespect for the origin of the thread.

[GodIsGreat2me]

I hear and read where people talk about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit being 3 persons as one or in one, etc.

But the fact is that they are not 3 persons. The Holy Spirit is a Spirit.

God is not a person He is a Spirit.

Flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

They do not have the revelation to what being one with God is.

They have the teaching of men.

[The Mighty Sword]

I hope your statement is not meant as disrespect for the origin of the thread.

Advice for the you concerning folks at at BF, use scripture to back up your opinion, for example:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

referenced by,

Revelation 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

And verification like these not only validate but we sharpen swords with it.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Welcome to the bible Forums

[Br. Barnabas]

I hear and read where people talk about the Father and the Son and the Holy Spirit being 3 persons as one or in one, etc.

But the fact is that they are not 3 persons. The Holy Spirit is a Spirit.

God is not a person He is a Spirit.

Flesh and blood cannot enter into the Kingdom of God.

They do not have the revelation to what being one with God is.

They have the teaching of men.

You misunderstand the meaning of person. When Christians talk about the persons of the Trinity they are talking about the philosophical meaning of person. Not a flesh and blood person. Personhood is more than just being a human.

This flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God but resurrected flesh and blood does. All will be resurrected just as Jesus was. Jesus in his resurrected body entered the Kingdom of God.

We do the Bible is the revelation of how to communion with God. No one can be one with God. That is a heresy also humans cannot become God or be one with God. We can commune with God.

Others have communed with God and have passed along their methods to us. What has been revealed to the saints, they passed on to us.

[GodIsGreat2me]

Advice for the you concerning folks at at BF, use scripture to back up your opinion, for example:

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

referenced by,

Revelation 19:13 And he [was] clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God

John 14:7 If ye had known me, ye should have known my Father also: and from henceforth ye know him, and have seen him.

John 14:9 Jesus saith unto him, Have I been so long time with you, and yet hast thou not known me, Philip? he that hath seen me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou [then], Shew us the Father?

And verification like these not only validate but we sharpen swords with it.

Proverbs 27:17 Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.

Welcome to the bible Forums

Thank you for your suggestions. This thread is not for those who believe that the bible contains all there is about God and His Truth. It takes faith from God to believe God. I do not hold it against anyone who cannot believe what I say.