Before The Beginning Was God

[GodIsGreat2me]

GG2M,
I just noticed in your user profile that you list yourself as not being a Christian but seeking.

Is it because you dislike the term 'Christian', or is that you have a problem associating yourself with Jesus Christ, or is it some other reason?

You seem quite studied in the Christian scriptures, so it seems odd for you to list 'no' to being a Christian, without further understanding why....

I am not a christian because I am something else.

[Br. Barnabas]

"The Son did not become one with the Father before the Father spoke the Word"

Let us start here. Prove this statement you have made here from verses from the Bible(we will keep our proof confined to the Bible sense this is were your understanding lies.)

If you can prove this with verses out of the Bible we will continue on till then there is no need to mix your opinion with the facts.

Yours truly,
GodisGreat2me

You said "The Word was with God. (The Son became one with the Father)." I am saying at no point did the Son become one with the Father becuase because the Father and the Son are not the same. They are each a person of the Triune God. Let's use John 1 for the Scriptures (but also understand that I use the Bible as a foundation and move outward from that to the Church Fathers/Tradition, Reason, and Experience). John 1:1 "In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God. He was with God in the beginning." Notice it does not say in the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with the Father and the Word was the Father. He was with the Father in the beginning. See your fault comes in when you replace the Father with God. You are adding to the text to make it fit your theology and not fitting your theology to fit the text. The Scriptures clearly state the Word was with God, in that he was with God, ie the Father and the Holy Spirit, and that he was God in that the Word is also God. So God is defined as Father, Son, and Holy Spirit. The Father is not God alone, nor the Son God alone, nor is the Holy Spirit God alone. All three together are God, invidiually they are a person of God.

However, my problem is not with the text or my own explaination to you but with your false assumption which replaces God in John with the Father and say that the Son became one with the Father because you have no proof of this and it does not make sense.

I am not mixing my opinions with fact, I am explaining fact and expounding on facts so as to help you out of your error.

[GodIsGreat2me]

To discuss them.

Because believe it or not, we're not just accepting you as God's inspired prophet of truth just because you say you are. Not trying to be mean here, but you're making statements as if you speak with authority on some of these topics, and when we confront and ask you about them, you seem to want to dismiss us because we're not simply blindly accepting what you have to say.

This forum isn't here for any individual to take the stage, and start preaching truth, and everyone else sit back and listen and learn and accept and believe. It is a place to mutually share, grow, discuss, and discern.

Maybe everything you have to say is truth, but not discussing it and assuming you are right and others who question you on some things are wrong isn't the right way to go about it.

We should examine the points of concern together. Share answers to questions that are true by God's Word and we'll all accept 'em. At this point though, you've just made personal declarations, and when anyone has questioned you on it, you've turned evasive and avoided the questions and replied back telling the askers that that you assume they won't accept or believe the answers. Where does that get anyone?

"we're not just accepting you as God's inspired prophet of truth just because you say you are."

Show me were you read I said this.

Post it right here Please.

[Br. Barnabas]

"The Son was around before the beginning he was eternally begotten."

Chapter and verse

Please.

Nicene Creed. Don't need chapter and verse you should start trying to provide evidence for your statements instead of just saying that "god" told you it.

[GodIsGreat2me]

When all things are possible, then what is impossible that God could show me?

I said that If you can believe that all things are possible to God then He will show you the impossible.

You do not believe so God is not going to show you the impossible.

Am I that hard to comprehend?

[Br. Barnabas]

"No according to the special revelation we have recieved in the Bible you are wrong. In the revelation that the church has given us in the form of theology and doctrine you are wrong."

Chapter and verse

Please.

Tradition one of the ways that orthodoxy is carried out in the Chruch today.

[Br. Barnabas]

"This flesh and blood cannot enter the Kingdom of God but resurrected flesh and blood does."

Chapter and verse

Please.

1 Corithians 15:35-58

[GodIsGreat2me]

You were obviously wise enough to get out of that pesky straightjacket and given those orderlies the slip. Were you a direct disciple of Xenu, perhaps?

Be ye wise as serpents as harmless as doves.

No I am a disciple of Jesus Christ.

[Vhayes]

I said that If you can believe that all things are possible to God then He will show you the impossible.

You do not believe so God is not going to show you the impossible.

Am I that hard to comprehend?

Yes.

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[GodIsGreat2me]

Several of us here have actually communed with God and heard God speak to us directly, revealed things about himself to us. This is part of the Christian walk. However, all of us here have used the revelation of the Bible as the first stepping stone because it is the most trustworthy way to start a walk with God. If special revelation goes against what the Bible says then it is not special revelation, it is false revelation.

We know you are wrong because you say things that have gone against the revelation of the Bible and against what the Holy Spirit has taught his church. The Church by the Holy Spirit is the safe-guard of orthodoxy. You have said things that can be proven false by the revelation of the Bible and by the saints who have been scantified and are being scantified. As I pointed out before several members here have the gift of discernment the Holy Spirit speaks to us and tells us when we hear or read error or when there great good or great evil about. The Spirit leads into all righteousness as we grow in our walk with Christ we learn to listen and have tested what the Spirit says to us from his prior revelations.

What you have said has been proven false by those mystics who have gone before us, who defended Nicene orthodoxy. Saints so great they were called friends of God and were denied little by God in prayer, even to the point of being able to heal people, give visions to people, and most importantly commune with God often. Saints such as Francis, Benedict, Patrick, Julian, etc. They are also are witnesses who recieved special revelation but did not come near saying anything that you say. But infact defended what we say and what the Bible says.

"Several of us here have actually communed with God and heard God speak to us directly, revealed things about himself to us."

In an earlier post you stated that the bible was the sole revelation of God.

[GodIsGreat2me]

As the Delphic oracle might have said: 'wise is the man who knows he is not; unwise is the man who knows he is'.

Are you a wise man?

[RabbiKnife]

"Cast not your pearls before swine."

"Answer not a fool according to his folly."

"Never give a sucker an even break."

I find all to be so true.

I'll get out my secret Gnostic decoder ring and learn the mysteries of God.

[Vhayes]

"Cast not your pearls before swine."

"Answer not a fool according to his folly."

"Never give a sucker an even break."

I find all to be so true.

I'll get out my secret Gnostic decoder ring and learn the mysteries of God.

Methinks you might be on to something there, preacherman.

[Br. Barnabas]

"Ahh but how do you know that you have the Spirit of Truth?"

If the Lord ever puts it in you

you will know how I know.

Till then my words cannot make you understand how I know.

Oh I have the Spirit of Truth, the Holy Spirit in me. I was given it when I accepted the gift of the Triune God. The Holy Spirit lives within me and reveals truth to me and what it says about you is you speak in error and declare error to come from Truth.

You come in here claiming to be like the Super Apostles that St Paul warned against. You come in trying to be super spiritual and lead us into error, when we prove that we are too smart and too grounded in the truth to be led into error you insult us and say that you have special revelation from God that we do not have. Yet you have repeatedly been proven wrong and refuse to accept or acknowledge that you could be wrong and can offer no evidence that you are right except that you have been told by God that you are right. This is why we have such things as the Bible, Tradition, Reason, and experience because otherwise people like you could come and declare that they have special revelation and been led into all sorts of falsehood.

[GodIsGreat2me]

"Cast not your pearls before swine."

"Answer not a fool according to his folly."

"Never give a sucker an even break."

I find all to be so true.

I'll get out my secret Gnostic decoder ring and learn the mysteries of God.

Do you find this one true?

Matthew, Chapter 23, 8: But be not ye called Rabbi: for one is your Master, even Christ; and all ye are brethren.