Prepare for war with Israel

[Fenris]

Yeah... that's the thing. Those guys are their lifeline and they know it. Hamas would really love getting into Egypt. That's probably what is most disturbing about that stat.

Hamas is in Egypt, from what I've read.

Mind you, Hamas is merely the "Palestinian branch" of the "Muslim Brotherhood", which is already in Egypt, and has been for decades.

[Vhayes]

Whatever.

I KNEW better than to say anything in these threads. I thought by saying people are people it would be neutral enough to stand but silly me, I shoulda known better.

[Fenris]

Whatever.

I KNEW better than to say anything in these threads. I thought by saying people are people it would be neutral enough to stand but silly me, I shoulda known better.

Take a lesson from this experience. We're all American here, and (mostly) Christian, and we can't agree. You really think people in a different country, who are a different religion and a different culture, are "just like you"?

[keck553]

Actually, no. However, even if there is one side that is not "to blame" it's still aggravating to see and hear about this side killing these people and this side retaliating, etc. As a Jew, surely you can see the futility in all of it, can't you?

If you hate violence now, then I suggest you hide in a really deep cave when Messiah returns...

[ProjectPeter]

Hey... nothing wrong with hoping and thinking best of things. I hope I'm wrong here. Don't think I am but hope I am!

[Vhayes]

Take a lesson from this experience. We're all American here, and (mostly) Christian, and we can't agree. You really think people in a different country, who are a different religion and a different culture, are "just like you"?

Fenris, I happen to think that most people, no matter the culture or the religion, want to live out their lives, see their children grow to adulthood and watch their grandchildren run and play.

Maybe I am crazy.

[keck553]

Hey... nothing wrong with hoping and thinking best of things. I hope I'm wrong here. Don't think I am but hope I am!

We could be wrong of course. No one knows God's schedule, outside of the various signs and seasons He gives us in Scripture. People get antsy. Most people I talk with think the 10 plagues in Egypt happend in the 6 hours of Charleton Heston's Moses, but I'd be willing to entertain that the plagues were more in the context of a decade long struggle.

Outside of being prepared physically and mentally for self-defense and self-preservation, and some common sense to know how to apply them, I am all for living together in peace.

I've been taught that there are only two races on earth. Those who belong to God and those who do not. The problem is this: only God knows who is and who isn't. So far be it for me to provoke a fight out side of the context of self-defense/self-preservation.

[ProjectPeter]

Maybe I am crazy.

Uh.... hate to be the one to state the obvious here... uh... Can I agree by silence?

[Vhayes]

Nah - S'ok. I'm known as the crazy old white broad that lives on the corner by the kids in the 'hood. :-)

[keck553]

Fenris, I happen to think that most people, no matter the culture or the religion, want to live out their lives, see their children grow to adulthood and watch their grandchildren run and play.

Maybe I am crazy.

Some raise their children to wear and transport bombs to public venues. I'll wager they even get extra points if that child is developmentally disabled. Hamas is well known to financially reward the sacrifice of children for the blood of a few Jews. For some odd reason, the majority in those cultures remain quiet or feign support.

Tough world out there.

[Vhayes]

Some raise their children to wear and transport bombs to public venues. I'll wager they even get extra points of that child is developmentally disabled. Hamas is well known to financially reward the sacrifice of children for the blood of a few Jews.

Tough world out there.

And some raise their children to bomb abortion clinics in the name of God.

Some teach thir children to beat homosexuals to death.

Some teach their children to hate black people,

Some teach their children to hate white people.

Some teach their children it's okay to bomb mosques.

SOME.

[ProjectPeter]

And fact... some is far from all no doubt. Thing is... the "some" are the loudest.

[tango]

Have you ever read any books by Joel Rosenberg. He has a book about the 12th Imam. I had never even heard of the 12th Imam until that. I'm assuming most people don't know either.

I read The Ezekiel Option on holiday in the US, it caught my eye simply because it had Ezekiel in the title. I read it cover to cover in a day and loved it. I recently read The Twelfth Imam as well and enjoyed that too.

[Warrior4God]

If you hate violence now, then I suggest you hide in a really deep cave when Messiah returns...

Hey, if you get off on violence, enjoy it. I don't. I understand it's necessary at times. I think people who enjoy it or applaud it have mental illness. Where do you stand? Also, although I support Israel's right to defend itself militarily, I will never put them on a pedastal. They are far from flawless as a people and a nation. Anybody remember the fact that God, um, had to constantly beat them over the head, spiritually speaking? Something about being a "stiff necked people." If God doesn't / didn't see them as flawless and always right about everything in every circumstance, why am I supposed to?

[Fenris]

Fenris, I happen to think that most people, no matter the culture or the religion, want to live out their lives, see their children grow to adulthood and watch their grandchildren run and play.

Just because that's what you want doesn't mean that is what everyone wants.

You should really read the book "Blackhawk down" by Mark Bowden. I'm going to cite a passage from it-

"The idea used to be that terrible countries were terrible because good, decent, innocent people were being oppressed by evil, thuggish leaders. Somalia changed that. Here you have a country where just about everybody is caught up in hatred and fighting. You stop and old lady on the street and ask her if she wants peace, and she'll say, yes, of course, I pray for it daily. All the things you'd expect her to say. Then ask her if she would be willing for her clan to share power with another in order to have that peace, and she'll say, 'With those murderers and thieves? I'd die first.' People in these countries - Bosnia [and Kosovo and now Macedonia] is a more recent example - don't want peace. They want victory. They want power. Men, women, old and young. Somalia was the experience that taught us that people in these places bear much of the responsibility for things being the way they are. The hatred and the killing continues because they want it to. Or because they don't want peace enough to stop it."

-- Unnamed State Department Official, quoted by Bowden, pgs 334-335

If all anyone wanted was to watch their kids grow up, the history of the world would be much different.

You're a good woman with a good heart. If everyone in the world was like you, the world would be a very different place. But it isn't. People hate, hate enough to kill. Hate enough to sacrifice their kids to kill, and be glad to do it. Be proud of it.

That's why we're all waiting for the messiah, isn't it?