When do we receive white robes; upon death or resurrection?

[ross3421]

Well if we say at death when our spirit goes to heaven then it appears there are some in heaven not dressed yet in white and why the need for a robe if we do not have a body. And if we say at the resurrection then why are some dressed in white before Christ returns?

My solution is that the martyred are resurrected after three days in the grave and then dressed in white. This is why some in heaven are seen in white robes before Christ returns.

Thoughts.

[Beckrl]

Well here my thoughts.

Ezek 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,”…I clothed you in embroidered cloth and gave you sandals of badger skin; I clothed you with fine linen and covered you with silk


When God founded Israel he “covered her nakedness” and “entered into a covenant” with her. This language is all over the OT scriptures. Ever wonder why Adam and Eve were in the garden and were ‘naked’ and not ashamed? They were not ashamed before God. They walked with God. They were without sin and had no need of clothing, i.e., a covenant in order to relate to God. The animal skin clothing (covenant) has its fullest meaning in the Old Covenant; relating to God, clothed, in and under the
law.

But in the new covenant we are ‘further clothed’ with better clothes and a better covenant in Christ. We relate to (covenant with) God through Christ. The body of Moses is clothed in animal skins and the body of Christ is clothed in ‘white robes’ of righteousness. We have to relate to God in clothing (through a covenant).

Getting to your question is it those saints that overcome death that will be clothed in white which has not been defiled by woman.(apostate] Rev. 3:5, 6:11, 14:4, & 19:7-8.

[ross3421]

Well here my thoughts.

Ezek 16:8 “When I passed by you again and looked upon you, indeed your time was the time of love; so I spread My wing over you and covered your nakedness. Yes, I swore an oath to you and entered into a covenant with you, and you became Mine,”…I clothed you in embroidered cloth and gave you sandals of badger skin; I clothed you with fine linen and covered you with silk


When God founded Israel he “covered her nakedness” and “entered into a covenant” with her. This language is all over the OT scriptures. Ever wonder why Adam and Eve were in the garden and were ‘naked’ and not ashamed? They were not ashamed before God. They walked with God. They were without sin and had no need of clothing, i.e., a covenant in order to relate to God. The animal skin clothing (covenant) has its fullest meaning in the Old Covenant; relating to God, clothed, in and under the
law.

But in the new covenant we are ‘further clothed’ with better clothes and a better covenant in Christ. We relate to (covenant with) God through Christ. The body of Moses is clothed in animal skins and the body of Christ is clothed in ‘white robes’ of righteousness. We have to relate to God in clothing (through a covenant).

Getting to your question is it those saints that overcome death that will be clothed in white which has not been defiled by woman.(apostate] Rev. 3:5, 6:11, 14:4, & 19:7-8.

So when are we clothed?

[David Taylor]

Well if we say at death when our spirit goes to heaven then it appears there are some in heaven not dressed yet in white and why the need for a robe if we do not have a body. And if we say at the resurrection then why are some dressed in white before Christ returns?

The white linen represents the righteousness of the saints...not clothing.

In other words, once the life in this sin-cursed world is over, and we are united with Christ, we will be sinfree and holy. The garment spotted by the flesh will have been cast away forevermore.

[wesand24]

Revelation 19:14 "And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses."

-if you believe this army returning with Christ is saints, then it would seem that they already have recieved the robes prior to the resurrection.

[Beckrl]

So when are we clothed?

The fine linen, clean and white would represent the saints righteouness and also symbolize the Bride of Christ, for she has maded herself ready. In my last statement it is through their overcoming death, hell and the grave and seen on mount Zion in heaven as a virgin bethroth to her husband.


Rev.19:7-8
7Let us be glad and rejoice, and give honour to him: for the marriage of the Lamb is come, and his wife hath made herself ready. 8And to her was granted that she should be arrayed in fine linen, clean and white: for the fine linen is the righteousness of saints

Rev. 6:11And white robes were given unto every one of them; and it was said unto them, that they should rest yet for a little season, until their fellowservants also and their brethren, that should be killed as they were, should be fulfilled.


Rev.3:18
I counsel thee to buy of me gold tried in the fire, that thou mayest be rich; and white raiment, that thou mayest be clothed, and that the shame of thy nakedness do not appear;[ without the covenant] and anoint thine eyes with eyesalve, that thou mayest see. [As if their eyes were blinded to the knowledge of the Lord]


And symbol's used to denote righteousness is 'white' and also being a 'virgin' the Bride of Christ.


Rev.14:4-5

4These are they which were not defiled with women; for they are virgins. These are they which follow the Lamb whithersoever he goeth. These were redeemed from among men, being the firstfruits unto God and to the Lamb. 5And in their mouth was found no guile: for they are without fault before the throne of God.

[David Taylor]

Revelation 19:14 "And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses."

-if you believe this army returning with Christ is saints, then it would seem that they already have recieved the robes prior to the resurrection.

Sure...this is evident in Revelation chapter 6 during the 5th seal, where martyrs in heaven who have died and gone to be in the Lord's presence are seen arrayed in white. Their earthly, mortal life is over, and their spotted sinful flesh has returned to the grave. To be in the Lord's presence, they are white; redeemed by the blood of the Lamb.

This is the case for all of the redeemed who have died and are now in the Lord's presence in Heaven.

[Saved7]

Well if we say at death when our spirit goes to heaven then it appears there are some in heaven not dressed yet in white and why the need for a robe if we do not have a body. And if we say at the resurrection then why are some dressed in white before Christ returns?

My solution is that the martyred are resurrected after three days in the grave and then dressed in white. This is why some in heaven are seen in white robes before Christ returns.

Thoughts.

When the final saint is martyred we receive our white robes. These are the "rest of those that will be killed as they were" (as noted in the 5th seal)are added between the 5th and 6th seals...hence the reason we see all those folks in white robes in the sixth seal...ie; 7th chapter of Revelation. There is no pause there for those who think there is a pause in the seals. we are either in one seal or another...just like a clock; just because we are between the 5 o'clock hour and the 6 o'clock hour doesn't mean that we are in a "pause of time" we are actually in the "5 o'clock hour" if we are between the two hours. Same thing goes with the seals. No pause, therefore the saints in Rev 7 are also a part of the 6th seal just as the 144,000 are. If they are not a part of the 6th seal then when did this part take place? It would have to take place during one of the seals, there is no pause between seals, a seal is broken and until the next one is broken we are in that last broken seal.

[the rookie]

The white linen represents the righteousness of the saints...not clothing.

In other words, once the life in this sin-cursed world is over, and we are united with Christ, we will be sinfree and holy. The garment spotted by the flesh will have been cast away forevermore.

Can it be both? (actual clothing that represents holiness)

Or are we nekkid?

[ross3421]

The white linen represents the righteousness of the saints...not clothing.

Re 3:5 He that overcometh, the same shall be clothed in white raiment;

No we will be clothed in literal white raiment, I wonder why many civilization wore white robes??

[ross3421]

Revelation 19:14 "And the armies in heaven, clothed in fine linen, white and clean, followed Him on white horses."

-if you believe this army returning with Christ is saints, then it would seem that they already have recieved the robes prior to the resurrection.

Saints in the context of Revelation are the martyred. As I have stated I see the martyred resurrected before the first resurrection. And that upon the resurrection we receive white robes

[vtwinr]

All true believers receive white robes at the time of their deaths, because they are given their resurrection bodies at that time, although the public resurrection is yet future. Their redeemed spirits and souls are removed from their expired terrestrial bodies at the time of death, and then placed in their genuine resurrection bodies, the resurrection body and the resurrection event being two different things. This is difficult for many to understand due to the fact that christians for ages have been taught that the resurrection body of any one saint is the very same body, (though transformed,) as the one that they had prior to death, and this teaching is actually true, only not in the way that believers traditionally think that it will be.

A believer's earthly body and his/her resurrection body are truly both their very own body as many confessions have it, and yet they are two different bodies, materially speaking! Remember what the Creator said of Adam and Eve in Genesis 5:1,2 -
"...In the day that God created man, in the likeness of God made he him; male and female created he them, and blessed them, and called their name Adam." ASV
Notice that after the words "male" and "female" occur, the plural words of "them" and "their" occur thrice, and yet the male Adam and the female Eve are still both catagorized under the singular "Adam", or "man" as some translations put it. In other words; Eve was considered an extension of Adam's creation, and shared in the same status of identity as he did, though they were still two different conscious lives and two different genders as well. Why? Because while Adam was considered an original creation, she, (Eve,) was not. He, (Adam,) existed out of his own original life, (he having no human predecessor,) while Eve existed out of and only because of the life that was resident in Adam. He, (Adam then,) owed his existence to God, while Eve and the race that proceeded from her altogether owed their existence to Adam, a true federal head and not her. This is why the Creator "breathed into the nostrils" of Adam "the breath of life", a divine act of God not bestowed upon the woman, this being entirely unnecessary since her life was only an extension of that conscious life that was already resident in Adam.

Exactly how God does this in the case of the resurrection of the saints is not something that is best for humanity in general to know of now, but he has a perfectly legitimate method for so doing if he can construct an entire woman out of a mere rib drawn from a predecessor. It is neither difficult, impossible nor unreasonable for God to so act, where your resurrection body and your expired earthly body are two different organisms and in two different places as well, and yet both are still "You" in the sense that Adam and Eve were together considered as the singular "Adam".

When a saint dies and receives their resurrection body then and there, the granting of this celestial body does not in any way conflict with certain passages, (such as 1 Thessalonians 4,) which seem to teach that the "dead in Christ" will "rise first" only at the time of the second advent of the Jewish Messiah. They will, and yet they already have their resurrection bodies prior to the resurrection event! Here we find an embodied Lazarus and the rich man in Luke 16, the former lying with Abraham and the godly in the nether world of Sheol and awaiting the first advent of the Messiah to make a true expiation for their past sins. These sins of the Old Testament saints were only ceremonially "covered" or "atoned for" by animal sacrifices, and yet both of the parties of Lazarus and the rich man "Dives" already had their physical bodies as is quite evident from their conversation, although the public resurrection of the saints was yet far distant in the future! The reason why believers do not understand the resurrection of the saints is due to the fact that they also do not understand the order of the 3 heavens mentioned by the Apostle Paul in 2 Corinthians 12:2. The 1'st heavens and the nether world of Sheol of the Old Testament saints is one and the same, and our earth is only one of many orbs placed in the 2'nd heavens. Now, to rise from that lower world of the 1'st heavens of Sheol and unto earth in the 2'nd heavens is what the scriptures means when it uses the term of "resurrection". However, to rise from earth in the 2'nd heavens and unto the infinitely immense 3'rd heavens of God is not a "resurrection" at all, but an "ascension". So, when Christ the Messiah emerged from the lower world of Sheol and appear to the 2 downcast disciples along the road to Emmaus, that was his resurrection, but when he rose up and disappeared into the clouds at the very end of Luke, that was his ascension, they being two entirely different transfers relative to the particular realm that he was in at the time that he were transferred to another. So, when a saint is given a body upon his/her death just like Lazarus was given one, (for Luke 16 says that Lazarus had a "finger" and the rich man a "tongue", and therefore, the balance of a body of some sort,) this new celestial body is received when the expiring believer ascends unto the 3'rd heavens of God, and so that is not a resurrection at all, but an ascension, and does not detract from the resurrection from the 1'st heavens of Sheol, something yet future for all.