The "Lie"

[Truth Files]

Those who "profess" christianity only are not believers in the first place and are no different that the rest of unbelieving humanity ..... they do not belong to Jesus Christ and these living at the time will be subjected to His coming hour of trial and wrath [the tribulation period] just like the rest of the world. [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:16]

These refuse to believe the truth about Jesus Christ, even if they come in His name, just as all of intransigent humanity, and they are no different .... unfortunately the world is full of these people today and the Lord will judge them. [Matthew 24:4-5; Psalms 2]

In the process He will allow for satanic infestation by removing restraint against satan and the fallen angelics and they will be sent and sequestered upon the earth during the tribulation period .... because the world refuses to believe the truth about Him, He will give them the devil. The world is moving closer toward this setting and there are, both pseudo-christian and non-christian factions, who are seeding the winds of deception for the cause. [2Thessalonians 2:8-12]

This satanic infestation will produce many supernatural and strange conditions upon the earth and the hallmark of satan's beast will be his capacity to make war and to defeat all human effort against him .... he will conquer without failure and none will stop him. [Revelation 6:13; 8:10; 9:1-11; 9:13-21; 12:7-12; 13:4-8; 13:11-15]

His core followers will admire his astounding success against nations, their governments, and certainly the nation of Israel of which he will invade and occupy .... his followers will believe his claims to be a "god" as he moves to conquer the world. [Daniel 11:36-45]

He will be followed and admired by many as he destroys their enemies by killing hundreds of thousands in one devastating blow after the other .... nothing will stand in his way and his angelic and human armies will ravage the earth and those who refuse to submit will be hunted down and killed. [Daniel 8:23-25; 11:36-44; Revelation 6:4-11; 9:5,18; 13:7; 14:13; 20:4(those beheaded)]

This action will be the "lie" and delusion that the Lord will send to the followers of satan's beast who will think that he is a "god" ..... then the Lord Himself will turn on the beast and his kingdom of followers, destroy them just at the end of the tribulation period, and restore the kingdom to Israel. [Ezekiel 38:39; Joel 2:20-32; 3:1-21; Micah 4:1-3;, 5:1-15; Zechariah 14:1-16; Revelation 14:14-20; 16:1-16; 19:11-21]

Keep in mind that this beast will not be an ordinary human, he is a fallen angelic possessing excessive destructive powers imputed by satan .... he will appear as nothing the world has ever seen in the human little horn of Daniel's visions .... and this angelic king of the abyss cannot be killed by ordinary means which will astonish the world .... only the Lord can destroy angelics in His lake of fire. [Jude 1:6; Revelation 9:11; 11:7; 13:2-4; 17:8; 19:20]

This is the "lie" and delusion that satan will be allowed to present to a world of humans who will follow and perish in the process .... this will all be part of the Lord's judgment against humanity for their unbelief and rejection of Him .... and He will also at the same time ultimately destroy satan's ploy by eliminating his angelic and human agents and then capture and send him to the abyss. The next objective will be to destroy him forever. [Revelation 20:1-3; 20:7-10]

The Lord never looses a battle and His ways are unfettered, even by satan and his manipulations .... He will draw satan in to the fray .... and then crush him .... while the devil is watching one hand, the Lord will kill him with the other. [Genesis 3:14-15]

[Arnie Madsen]

I do not feel that "professing Christians" are destined for anything worse than "the perfect ones" . Look at the first Corinthian church. If it could be done wrong , they were doing it.

In spite of their failings , Paul told them they lacked no spiritual gifts, and that the Lord would keep them firm to the end, so that they will be blameless on the day of our Lord Jesus Christ.

Next he rebukes the divisions among believers. When we shoot our weak , it sounds divisive.

As far as the Great tribulation , I understand it is a time of wrath for an unbelieving world , not wrath aimed at the Church Jesus built.

Those are some of my thoughts, thanks.

[Truth Files]

Arnie,

Yes, those of His church who belong to Jesus Christ are not destined to receive His coming wrath and judgment [those asleep will obviously not, and neither will those alive at the time just before He brings it]

But, there are those who profess to be christian and they are not [Matthew 24:4-5; 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]\\

There will also be those be those who will become believers during His coming hour [time] of judgment and wrath [Revelation 6:9-11; 13:7; 14:13; 15:2-3; 20:4[those beheaded]]

He will not withdraw His offer of salvation during this period [Matthew 24:14; Revelation 6:2; 12:6; 12:10-11; 12:14-17; 14:1-7]

[The Mighty Sword]

But, there are those who profess to be christian and they are not [Matthew 24:4-5; 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-19]\\

So true...............

(side note) No persons or names are implied.

[Truth Files]

Yes TMS, and the Lord knows the difference .... He sees the true and the false

And this is why He has said that one must be ready .... He knows that many are not and gives His warning to them

We must also do the same

[Servant89]

2The 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I did a study on the lie in the Bible once, I still have it, interesting enough, it has something in common. ANTICHRIST/BABYLON THE GREAT/FALSE PROPHET.

Shalom

[Servant89]

According to 2Thes 2:8-12, some people are known for not loving the Truth (The Bible) and can be identified because they sponsor The Lie. Look for a "Christian Church" where over 95% of the people go there without carrying Bibles and that would be a great hint.

With regards to the lie of 2Th 2:11, we must let the Scriptures interpret that for us. Always let the Bible interpret itself. According to the Bible, the Lie is:

a. Worshipping creatures rather than the Creator. The Bible says in Romans 1:25 (of all the letters !!!) that the lie is the worship of creatures instead of the Creator. Some religions serve specially holy dead people and count on those "saints" as their problem solvers and they pray to them. They worship the creatures more than the Creator.

ROMANS 1:25 Who (the Romans) changed the truth of God into a LIE, and worshipped and served the creature more than the Creator, who is blessed for ever. Amen.

b. According to 1TIM 4:1, the lie, a doctrine of demons, is also forbidding the ministers to marry and to forbid the laity to eat certain meats:

1TI 4:1 Now the Spirit speaks expressly, that in the latter times some shall depart from the faith, giving heed to seducing spirits, and doctrines of devils;
2 Speaking LIES in hypocrisy; having their conscience seared with a hot iron;
3 Forbidding to marry, and commanding to abstain from meats, which God has created to be received with thanksgiving of them which believe and know the truth.

c. According to 1TIM 2:4-5 the truth is that there is only God and one mediator. So, the lie is that there are many mediators or many that can solve problems in heaven.

1TI 2:4 Who will have all men to be saved, and to come unto the knowledge of the truth.
5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

d. The lie is to have statues in church for religious purpose, idolatry is the lie according to Isaiah 44:10-20:

ISA 44:10 Who has formed a god, or molten a graven image that is profitable for nothing?
13 The carpenter stretches out his rule; he marks it out with a line; he fits it with planes, and he marks it out with the compass, and makes it after the figure of a man, according to the beauty of a man; that it may remain in the house.
15 ...yea, he makes a god, and worships it; he makes it a graven image, and falls down thereto.
17 And the residue thereof he makes a god, even his graven image: he falls down unto it, and worships it, and prays unto it, and says, Deliver me; for thou art my god.
20 He feeds on ashes: a deceived heart has turned him aside, that he cannot deliver his soul, nor say, Is there not a LIE in my right hand?

If it fits some religion system, which one would it be?

Shalom

[Truth Files]

There are many .... the professing church is inundated with various off course dogmas including the RCC, the liberals, and some fundamental movements

There is very little left of true christian doctrine today .... not all who engage in pseudo christian organizations are lost, but the teachings provide dangerous territory for those who are fence sitters and have itching ears

And these do not have a monopoly in the monotheistic religions .... Islam is just as perverted and even more so

Satan works both sides of the street

These things must be exposed and warning must be given by the witness who belongs to Jesus Christ

[Raybob]

I believe the "lie" is the idea that crept into many churches in the past 150 years or so, that anyone would survive once Jesus comes for the church.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(2Th 2:11-12)

In my early Christian walk, I was wavering. I claimed to be Christian, yet I continued to live for 'me', not for Him. My rationality was that if I missed the rapture while doing some sin on purpose, that I'd still have a chance to repent but would have to be martyred. At that time, I believed people survived after the rapture. Now, I believe that's a deadly thought, to even think anyone would survive when Jesus returns for the church.

To me, the idea of anyone surviving after the rapture is a BIG lie that leads people (like me in the past) to fall away.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
(1Th 4:17-5:3)

[Truth Files]

Satan's lie is crafted to snooker the fence sitting "christian" into the coming tribulation period

Since Satan does not know, and has not, when the Lord intends to bring His hour [time] of trial and judgment, Satan began spreading this lie long ago and he is still doing it today ..... more than ever .... and many false teachers have come doing his bidding

His objective is to draw those who doubt into the tribulation period where he will be confined to the earth and can directly deceive and kill them .... he hates the idea of human immortality

Many today of the professing church have fallen for this lie which directly opposes the Lord's promise to keep living believers at the time from His coming wrath and judgment [Revelation 3:10]

Satan's parallel objective is to discredit the Lord's authority and credibility .... he began this onslaught in the garden [Genesis 3]

And here is the Lord's response to those who would believe the lie: [Matthew 25:1-13; Revelation 3:15-16]

There will be some who repent and turn to the Lord during His coming trial and judgment [mostly Israelites], but not many according to Revelation's account

[billy-brown 2]

2The 2:8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:
9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders,
10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved.
11 And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie:
12 That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.

I did a study on the lie in the Bible once, I still have it, interesting enough, it has something in common. ANTICHRIST/BABYLON THE GREAT/FALSE PROPHET.

Shalom

These are great verses . . . they indicate that God sends the delusion to the UNSAVED . . .

Yep . . .

[Servant89]

These are great verses . . . they indicate that God sends the delusion to the UNSAVED . . .

Yep . . .

And the reason why they bite into satan's bait (hook, line and sinker) is because they cannot tell the difference between a lie and the truth for lack of knowledge of the word, as it is written (because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved).

Shalom

[Servant89]

I believe the "lie" is the idea that crept into many churches in the past 150 years or so, that anyone would survive once Jesus comes for the church.

And for this cause God shall send them strong delusion, that they should believe a lie: That they all might be damned who believed not the truth, but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
(2Th 2:11-12)

In my early Christian walk, I was wavering. I claimed to be Christian, yet I continued to live for 'me', not for Him. My rationality was that if I missed the rapture while doing some sin on purpose, that I'd still have a chance to repent but would have to be martyred. At that time, I believed people survived after the rapture. Now, I believe that's a deadly thought, to even think anyone would survive when Jesus returns for the church.

To me, the idea of anyone surviving after the rapture is a BIG lie that leads people (like me in the past) to fall away.

Then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord. Wherefore comfort one another with these words. But of the times and the seasons, brethren, ye have no need that I write unto you. For yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so cometh as a thief in the night. For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.
(1Th 4:17-5:3)

Actually, it is not so clear, it is not a slam dunk on this issue. Many people believe what you believe, lots of Christians do. But have you done a study on the Bible about that subject? I have. I have read the Bible from beginning to end marking all the verses that might indicate that there will be survivers after the rapture (note, I am not a pre-tribber nor a mid tribber). I believe some will survive to populate the planet during the millenium. I have noted about 25 verses that talk about that.

For example: Is 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

But I am not saying you are wrong. You might be right. But if you are right, I do not believe that not agreeing with you on this issue is enough to get God to send me a strong dilusion to get me DAMNED.

Shalom

[Raybob]

Actually, it is not so clear, it is not a slam dunk on this issue. Many people believe what you believe, lots of Christians do. But have you done a study on the Bible about that subject? I have. I have read the Bible from beginning to end marking all the verses that might indicate that there will be survivers after the rapture (note, I am not a pre-tribber nor a mid tribber). I believe some will survive to populate the planet during the millenium. I have noted about 25 verses that talk about that.

For example: Is 24:6 Therefore hath the curse devoured the earth, and they that dwell therein are desolate: therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, and few men left.

But I am not saying you are wrong. You might be right. But if you are right, I do not believe that not agreeing with you on this issue is enough to get God to send me a strong dilusion to get me DAMNED.

Shalom

Not agreeing with me about survivors after Christ returns for the church isn't what damns people. Two big "ifs". IF you believe that and IF you fall into wilfull sin when temtations come, believing what I did about second chances, THEN you have a problem.

[Servant89]

Not agreeing with me about survivors after Christ returns for the church isn't what damns people. Two big "ifs". IF you believe that and IF you fall into wilfull sin when temtations come, believing what I did about second chances, THEN you have a problem.

Thank you for clarifying that. That is better, much better. Yes, the seed that fell on the rocks is that example.

Lk 8:13 They on the rock are they, which, when they hear, receive the word with joy; and these have no root, which for a while believe, and in time of temptation fall away.

Shalom