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    Moses en die Rots

    Is ek op die regte pad??

    Moses wat die Rots die eerste keer geslaan om water (Lewende water) voort te bring, dit was in opdrag van God.

    Sou julle sê dat dit vergelyk met die Kruising van Christus.... Sy lewe wat aan ons ewige lewe gee?

    ...en die tweede keer wat Moses slegs die Rots moes aanspreek, en dit toe slaan.... kan dit vergelyk met die verwerping van Jesus deur die Jode , hulle ongehoorsaamheid... ??
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    Re: Moses en die Rots

    Ek glo dit het 'n verwysing na Jesus Christus. Hier Westley se kommentaar oor vers 23 verder aan.

    Num 20:24 Because they rebelled - This was one but not the only reason. God would not have Moses and Aaron to carry the people into Canaan, for this reason also, to signify the insufficiency of the Mosaical law and Aaronical priesthood to make them perfectly happy, and the necessity of a better, and to keep the Israelites from resting in them, so as to be taken off from their expectation of Christ.
    ".......and go into the land of Israel:" (Matthew 2:20)



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    Hi.

    eenkeer gehoor iemand se dat hy vermoed was profeties oor 2de koms waar die Here gevra word om te kom.... iewers in openbaring? Dink Israel se "remnant" sal Hom erken en uitroep na Hom.... dis hoekom Moses "gestraf" is omdat hy nie geluister het nie... Rots vir ons geslaan om water (lewe) te gee as weer kom gee water ( lewende strome water ) verniet vir altyd ....
    Dis alles net genade -Ma Grace
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    Quote Originally Posted by Willem View Post
    Hi.

    eenkeer gehoor iemand se dat hy vermoed was profeties oor 2de koms waar die Here gevra word om te kom.... iewers in openbaring? Dink Israel se "remnant" sal Hom erken en uitroep na Hom.... dis hoekom Moses "gestraf" is omdat hy nie geluister het nie... Rots vir ons geslaan om water (lewe) te gee as weer kom gee water ( lewende strome water ) verniet vir altyd ....
    Hi Willem. Lekker om weer van jou te hoor. Inderdaad gaan Israel weer as 'n oorblyfsel die ware Messias tydens die 2de helfte van die verdrukking aanneem. As 'n volg sal hulle tot bekering kom......die wat oorbly na al die oorloe wat Israel nog moet veg. Dan gaan God hierdie "Remnant" by Petra beskerm vir die aanslae van die antichris en die wereld.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ta-An View Post
    Is ek op die regte pad??

    Moses wat die Rots die eerste keer geslaan om water (Lewende water) voort te bring, dit was in opdrag van God.

    Sou julle sê dat dit vergelyk met die Kruising van Christus.... Sy lewe wat aan ons ewige lewe gee?

    ...en die tweede keer wat Moses slegs die Rots moes aanspreek, en dit toe slaan.... kan dit vergelyk met die verwerping van Jesus deur die Jode , hulle ongehoorsaamheid... ??
    Jy weet natuurlik waar hierdie idee vandaan kom?

    1 Kor 10:4 "en almal dieselfde geestelike drank gedrink het, want hulle het gedrink uit ‘n geestelike rots wat gevolg het, en die rots was Christus."

    Dit lyk of die rots volgens 1 Kor 10:4 God se manifestasie van verlossing was, wat Paulus sê Christus was. Dit dien as metafoor vir Christus se verlossing. Om die verwerping van die Jode daarin te lees neem dit bietjie te ver, en is nie na my mening deel van die oorspronklike betekenis nie. Dit sou 'n allegoriese betekenis daaraan koppel.
    Joh 8:32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

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    Die Rots by Horeb

    ,,,,,Philip.... die vang my oog nou.... "‘n geestelike rots wat gevolg het" is die woord 'gevolg' gebruik soos in posisie... letterlik agter hulle aan, of in tyd.....Hy het gekom....
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    Re: Moses en die Rots

    "Volg" soos in "accompany" (akouloutheô)
    Joh 8:32 "And you shall know the truth, and the truth shall make you free."

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