I am a Christian Zionist because God commands it
I am a Zionist because it's the right thing to do, even though God doesn't command it
I am not a Zionist. Israel like any other country
I am not a Zionist. Israel is wrong
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I said in the other post that I DO support the nation of Israel. They were given the land, it is a sovereign nation with every right to exist.Originally Posted by Fenris
You don't know if you support Israel or not?
I shoulda made that a poll option.
Post Tenebras Lux
I voted for number three.
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Sorry. out of line.
And sorry for taking your topic off-topic, Fenris. Right I've voted, had too much to say, and I'm outta here.
I Tim. 1:15
I am a Christian Zionist.
This is a faithful saying, and worthy of all acceptation, that Christ Jesus came into the world to save sinners; of whom I am chief.
Deadpan Snarker
So you support them as much as you would support any other country. That is poll choice #3.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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In the sense that God chose them based on ethnicity:Originally posted by nobunaga
Israel is wrong .....Wrong in what sense ?
"It is not as though God’s word had failed. For not all who are descended from Israel are Israel. Nor because they are his descendants are they all Abraham’s children. On the contrary, 'It is through Isaac that your offspring will be reckoned.' In other words, it is not the children by physical descent who are God’s children, but it is the children of the promise who are regarded as Abraham’s offspring." Ro.9:6-8
Jacob is the the Lords people, but only because they are "the seed of Abraham."Israel is defined in Deut 32:8 as Gods choosen people.
Deut 32:8
When the Most High gave to the nations their inheritance, when he divided mankind, he fixed the borders of the peoples according to the number of the sons of God.
For the LORD'S portion is His people; Jacob is the allotment of His inheritance..
"But thou Israel art my servant, Jacob whom I have chosen, the seed of Abraham my friend." Is.41:8
And the seed of Abraham are those who believe God, regardless of ethnicity:
"And if ye be Christ's, then are ye Abraham's seed, and heirs according to the promise." Ga.3:29
Deadpan Snarker
Guys please, no debating. I just wanted to poll people's opinions.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Senior Member
No reason to be dishonest, my friend. If it wasn't for the faithful Jews who revealed the messiah to us there would be no hope.Originally posted by Fenris
OK, fair enough. I know this opinion exists, I'm glad you're honest enough to voice it.
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Sorry for the debating Fenris. I was asked a question and tried to clarify my belief. My "outrageous" position (as I've said) is based on the interpretation of the OT by Jews who wrote the NT.
Captain Obvious
That's one way to look at it. Or, you could look at it in a "main leader of this message board giving the new guy a kind hint to change his methodology" sort of way. Your choice.
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Deadpan Snarker
No problem, I just don't want this turning into a debate thread. Everyone can voice their opinion, and justify it, and be done.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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It could be, but then the messiahs mission would be meaningless and the promises God made to Abraham would be lies.Originally posted by the rookie
"Nowhere in the Bible" could be one of the most outrageous overstatements ever made in the history of mankind.
Captain Obvious
As per the OP's request, you're free to assert that in your own thread and then prove it.
The Rookie
Twelve is the number of government. Thus, it is quite apropos that I am on my way towards wielding the power of twelve bars - each bar like, say, a tribe.....or a star.....or, maybe an apostle. A blue apostle. Like apostle smurfs. Does anyone remember smurfs? And all the controversy about them being from the devil? It's probably bad that I juxtaposed "apostle" and "smurf" in the same sentence. But then, I probably lost you at "blue apostle". Yes, my friends, this is what "rare jewel of a person" is actually implying. "Rare Jewel of a Person" really means, "Potentially Insane".
Posting Freak
I believe God continues to have a heart for unbelieving Israel (meaning not believing in the chosen Messiah, Jesus). They (meaning unbelieving Israel) are beloved for the sake of the fathers (Rom. 11:28) for the gifts and the calling of God are irrevocable (Rom. 11:29). Just as God chose to have mercy on Gentiles who did not know God, He will have mercy on Israel who does not know their Messiah (Rom. 11:31). After the fullness of the Gentiles comes in (during which time individual Jews are also saved), all Israel will be saved (Rom. 11:25-26). I believe I should have this same heart for Israel and look forward to and pray for their salvation. So, I chose to vote “1”.
Senior Member
"unsure" was not an option...
God's grace is not one size fits all, but rather "tailor made" for each person, an intimate, unique and amazing gift that continues to gift itself in countless ways.
Ephesians 4:4-7 ESV There is one body and one Spirit--just as you were called to the one hope that belongs to your call-- one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of all, who is over all and through all and in all. But grace was given to each one of us (individually) according to the measure of Christ's gift.
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