Are you a Christian Zionist?

[Fenris]

I was under the impression that most American Protestant Christians were Zionists. However, lately some comments made have caused me to question whether I was correct in making this assumption.

So I present the following question; Are you a Zionist?

I qualify the answers below.

-Yes, I am a Christian Zionist because God commands me to be one. Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you..." Psalms 122:6 "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love you..." or perhaps some other verse you'd like to include?

-Yes, I am a Zionist. God does not specifically command that I be one, but it is the moral/ethical thing to do. Antisemitism is wrong/Israel is a good ally/some other reason you would like to include?

-I am not a Zionist. Israel is just like any other country.

-I am not a Zionist. Israel is wrong/Palestinian land is stolen/Jews not really the Jews (yes, someone here said this to me)/some other reason you might want to share?

I am not looking for debate in this thread. There is no "right" or "wrong" answer. I just want to know what people's honest opinion is on the subject.

Also please note if you agree with "1" and "2", "1" should be the vote since God's specific command takes precedence.

In the interest of disclosure I am voting "1".

[notuptome]

How can you vote as a Christian Zionist? Does it not require that you be a Christian first? Or are you hiding something from us?

Despite the fact that Israel is hopelessly apostate option 1 does seem most reasonable.

For the cause of Christ
Roger

[IMINXTC]

(2) - Yes, I am a Zionist. God does not specifically command that I be one, but it is the moral/ethical thing to do. Antisemitism is wrong/Israel is a good ally/some other reason you would like to include?

Zionist in the sense that I am for Israel, I seek to support and defend her, and I pray for the peace of Jerusalem, which ultimately means I pray for the Kingdom to be established under Christ.

Not Zionist in the sense, as some would define it, that Israel seeks supremacy in the present world.

[episkopos]

I am pro-Jewish! I am for a homeland for the Jews. I think the revival of Hebrew is great!

But I am not a Zionist. I think the country now called Israel should be called Judea as it was in the time of Christ. Israel is a misnomer in my estimation. The northern tribes have been dispersed throughout the world. Biblically speaking it was these 10 northern tribes that were termed "the kingdom of Israel". It was the Jews who remained in the land...Judea or Judah not Israel.

So I think many Christians have been misled into thinking something is what it says it is...because of the label it has been given by men (rather than God). The present state called Israel is a secular state like any other. This should not be confused with biblical prophecy about the entity called Israel.

Long live Judea of the Jews!

Long live the Israel of God (not the same)

[episkopos]

I was under the impression that most American Protestant Christians were Zionists. However, lately some comments made have caused me to question whether I was correct in making this assumption.

So I present the following question; Are you a Zionist?

I qualify the answers below.

-Yes, I am a Christian Zionist because God commands me to be one. Genesis 12:3 "I will bless those who bless you..." Psalms 122:6 "Pray for the peace of Jerusalem: they shall prosper that love you..." or perhaps some other verse you'd like to include?

-Yes, I am a Zionist. God does not specifically command that I be one, but it is the moral/ethical thing to do. Antisemitism is wrong/Israel is a good ally/some other reason you would like to include?

-I am not a Zionist. Israel is just like any other country.

-I am not a Zionist. Israel is wrong/Palestinian land is stolen/Jews not really the Jews (yes, someone here said this to me)/some other reason you might want to share?

I am not looking for debate in this thread. There is no "right" or "wrong" answer. I just want to know what people's honest opinion is on the subject.

Also please note if you agree with "1" and "2", "1" should be the vote since God's specific command takes precedence.

In the interest of disclosure I am voting "1".

I had no idea that you were a Christian Zionist Fenris!

[Fenris]

I had no idea that you were a Christian Zionist Fenris!

My rationale would be the same as a Christian Zionist- because God said so.

[let God be true]

And it came to pass, when Joshua was by Jericho, that he lifted up his eyes and looked, and, behold, there stood a man over against him with his sword drawn in his hand: and Joshua went unto him, and said unto him, Art thou for us, or for our adversaries? (Jos 5:13 KJV)

And he said, Nay; but as captain of the host of the LORD am I now come. And Joshua fell on his face to the earth, and did worship, and said unto him, What saith my lord unto his servant? (Jos 5:14 KJV)

You don't give enough options, Fenris.

Israel and Judea belongs to Jesus:

And said unto him, Run, speak to this young man, saying, Jerusalem shall be inhabited as towns without walls for the multitude of men and cattle therein: (Zec 2:4 KJV)

For I, saith the LORD, will be unto her a wall of fire round about, and will be the glory in the midst of her. (Zec 2:5 KJV)

Ho, ho, come forth, and flee from the land of the north, saith the LORD: for I have spread you abroad as the four winds of the heaven, saith the LORD. (Zec 2:6 KJV)

Deliver thyself, O Zion, that dwellest with the daughter of Babylon. (Zec 2:7 KJV)

For thus saith the LORD of hosts; After the glory hath he sent me unto the nations which spoiled you: for he that toucheth you toucheth the apple of his eye. (Zec 2:8 KJV)

For, behold, I will shake mine hand upon them, and they shall be a spoil to their servants: and ye shall know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me. (Zec 2:9 KJV)

Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD. (Zec 2:10 KJV)

And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day, and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee. (Zec 2:11 KJV)

And the LORD shall inherit Judah his portion in the holy land, and shall choose Jerusalem again. (Zec 2:12 KJV)

Be silent, O all flesh, before the LORD: for he is raised up out of his holy habitation. (Zec 2:13 KJV).

I'm not a Zionist. I'm a Messianist. It's Jesus' portion, Jesus' inheritance. "Israel" and the nations do not have the right to divide it up.

[Jeanne D]

Yes, I consider myself a Christian Zionist.

Jeanne

[Fenris]

Yes, I consider myself a Christian Zionist.

Jeanne

Yeah we know you are

[Fenris]

You don't give enough options, Fenris.

Israel and Judea belongs to Jesus:

OK, so you're not a Zionist. I gave you that choice on the poll.

[let God be true]

OK, so you're not a Zionist. I gave you that choice on the poll.

I am a Zionist. I believe:

1. That the Jews have the right to Judea (no other nation ever did after God kicked out the Canaanites).

2. That the nations will be judged for what they did to the Jews, to the land, and to all Israel:

"For, behold, in those days, and in that time, when I shall bring again the captivity of Judah and Jerusalem, I will also gather all nations, and will bring them down into the valley of Jehoshaphat, and will plead with them there for my people and for my heritage Israel, whom they have scattered among the nations, and parted my land." (Joe 3:1-2 KJV).

3. I believe that a reconcilation is coming between the Judeans and their King, Jesus, and when that rconciliation comes, He will set His feet upon the Mount of Olives and go out and fight against all the nations who have gathered against Jerusalem.

4. I believe that the land God promised the seed of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob (of which the Jews are only one tribe) stretches from the Mediterranean sea to the Euphrates river, and I believe that Judea, which belongs to the Jews and their King, Jesus, is only one part of it, though Jesus is King of the universe and shall reign over the kings of all the earth from His trone in Jerusalem.

5. I sympathise 100% with Jewish Zionists and their cause, and I loathe the cause of the Palestinians, neither do I believe the West Bank and Gaza Strip belong to them.

So I'm a Zionist in my view.

But apparently not in your view.

[Fenris]

So I'm a Zionist in my view.

But apparently not in your view.

I'm scratching my head here. How does this post not fit with my poll option #1?

[rejoice44]

I'm scratching my head here. How does this post not fit with my poll option #1?

The problem probably is with the word command. Some people get a little fuzzy over that word. I chose #1

[Fenris]

The problem probably is with the word command. Some people get a little fuzzy over that word. I chose #1

Yeah that seems to be it. Thanks for clarifying, perhaps I would have worded the poll differently had I known...

[let God be true]

I'm scratching my head here. How does this post not fit with my poll option #1?

Because you said "I am a Christian Zionist.... because God commands it".

God does not command me to be a Christian Zionist - He commands me to believe in Jesus, who is the Word of God made flesh - He is the Word of God spoken to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and the prophets - and being a Christian Zionist is a natural result of believing God's Word to Abraham, Isaac, Jacob, Moses and the prophets. The command is to believe the Word of God - not part of the Word of God - all of it.