Anyone have opinions on the illuminati?

[Dani H]

[Free Indeed]

I'm aware of how he's trying to argue, but (again), he does not agree (or acknowledge) with you that these 'works' have been discredited. He takes issue with the scholarship, so argue with him on that (i.e. since he's comparing the discreditors of Barruel and Robison to the discreditors of the Gospel...).

Their works have been discredited by academics. Therefore, he used the straw man argument against the academics for doing so (which by default acknowledges what they did).

Otherwise, you're ruining a perfectly inane discussion *wink.

Ah, but, my friend....if I had to abstain from inane discussion, I would almost never post here!

[Mithrandir-Olorin]

They claimed they did, I'm not acknowledging they did anything.

[Free Indeed]

Those are quite attractive. They look like Hershey's Kisses!

[Vhayes]

They do at that! All they need is little while strips of paper coming out of the top reading, "Illuminati Shield".

[Ceegen]

Why do Christians believe the bible, but not that there is a conspiracy to have a one-world government? Especially when you have references from Revelation that seem to point in a one-world governing body?

The group known as "The Illuminati" is really just misleading. The group really has no name what-so-ever. "Illuminati" is actually the rank of the highest level, referring to "Illuminated Satanist", which by the way ARE bent on world domination. Their version of what happens in the end is different than Revelation though. Freemasonry is just a good way of recruiting people into being illuminated. But it doesn't matter what label they hide behind, their goal is the same. They take on the label of Jew, Christian, Muslim, banker, attorney, whatever suits them to get the job done, and in the end all serve Satan willingly.

Most of you are right, about not having to worry about it because you have the plan of salvation... But not knowing who your enemy is, is just as dangerous as not knowing where your salvation is coming from. You don't have to entirely focus on all the lies of this world, delving into every little detail of Satan's plan for this world, but you should at the very least recognize that it is there and does exist. There are many, many people who serve Satan willingly, and even more who do so unwittingly for their lack of knowledge.

Freemasonry has become an anti-Christ of sorts, as an institution of recruitment for Illuminated Satanists. No Christian should ever want to be or be involved in Freemasonry, who's goal is uniting under a one-world religion of sorts, which holds that all religions are equal. Now, I'm not one for calling Christianity a "religion", but put into context/perspective from a Freemason viewpoint, it comes down to this: Christianity is equal to all other religions.

Straight from a Freemason web page:

"Is Masonry a Religion?

Masonry is not a religion. But because it is open to all men who believe in a Supreme Being, it is one of the few platforms where men of all faiths -- Christians (including Catholics), Jews, Muslims, and men of every other faith, can come together. Religion, though, is not discussed at Masonic meetings. Although Lodges open and close with a prayer and Masonry teaches morality, it is not a church or a religion. Masonry does not have a theology or a dogma, it does not offer sacraments, and it does not offer the promise of salvation."

There is a lot more to it than just not offering the promise of salvation, but there are many books on the subject of the Illuminati and Freemasonry which you all would probably be interested in, at the very least, to know who your enemies are. The point is, if you didn't know that Freemasonry is inherently evil, would you want to join it? Or are you already a Mason?

Cardinal Caro y Rodriguez of Santiago, Chile, who wrote "The Mystery of Freemasonry Unveiled" in the 1920's wrote about a letter from Albert Pike to some Italian guy with the last name of Mazzini dated August 15, 1871. In the letter, Albert Pike outlines 3 world wars. World War I was already over with by this point, but the book's prediction for World War II back in 1925ish is quite stunning to say the least:

"The Second World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences between the Fascists and the political Zionists. This war must be brought about so that Nazism is destroyed and that the political Zionism be strong enough to institute a sovereign state of Israel in Palestine. During the Second World War, International Communism must become strong enough in order to balance Christendom, which would be then restrained and held in check until the time when we would need it for the final social cataclysm."

And what of World War III? Here is what the letter is described as saying:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

But of course, the supposed letter which the Cardinal claimed to be cataloged at the British Museum Library is either not there anymore or was never there. Not surprising that this could happen if you believe that the Freemason organization is a world-wide conspiracy. But of course it is hard to talk about Freemasonry in a negative manner when they contribute all sorts of charity work. A very good cover for the evil within, indeed. Who can argue with a "fraternity" that donates millions of dollars to help people? "It's hard to kick against the pricks." And of course not every Freemason is a part of the sinister plot, at least not willingly. Many in the fraternity never make it to the top, which is no surprise, since they aren't Illuminated Satanists.

So yes, it does exist, it is evil, and it is worth noting. Serving Satan out of ignorance is just as bad as serving him willingly. As I've said before, many people have spoken out against Freemasonry who are former members of the organization. It doesn't take but a simple web search to find more information and literature on the subject, and I suggest anyone sincerely interested in this subject to do so. I also urge any person here who claims the title of "Freemason" to reconsider after looking at it from a spiritual perspective.

God bless, in Jesus' name, Amen.

[shootingdead]

And what of World War III? Here is what the letter is described as saying:

"The Third World War must be fomented by taking advantage of the differences caused by the “agentur” of the “Illuminati” between the political Zionists and the leaders of Islamic World. The war must be conducted in such a way that Islam (the Moslem Arabic World) and political Zionism (the State of Israel) mutually destroy each other. Meanwhile the other nations, once more divided on this issue will be constrained to fight to the point of complete physical, moral, spiritual and economical exhaustion. We shall unleash the Nihilists and the atheists, and we shall provoke a formidable social cataclysm which in all its horror will show clearly to the nations the effect of absolute atheism, origin of savagery and of the most bloody turmoil. Then everywhere, the citizens, obliged to defend themselves against the world minority of revolutionaries, will exterminate those destroyers of civilization, and the multitude, disillusioned with Christianity, whose deistic spirits will from that moment be without compass or direction, anxious for an ideal, but without knowing where to render its adoration, will receive the true light through the universal manifestation of the pure doctrine of Lucifer, brought finally out in the public view. This manifestation will result from the general reactionary movement which will follow the destruction of Christianity and atheism, both conquered and exterminated at the same time."

this is difficult to understand, what do you think could be the outworking of this?

[Free Indeed]

this is difficult to understand, what do you think could be the outworking of this?

In a nutshell, the letter's fake, and doesn't exist. It was invented to prop up another conspiracy theory fairy tale known as the Taxil hoax.

He wrote, "Albert Pike to some Italian guy with the last name of Mazzini dated August 15, 1871."

This "some Italian guy" was supposed to be Giuseppe Mazzini, one of the forefathers of the Italian Republic. Mazzini was known for being distrusting of Catholicism, so the conspiray theorists attempt to lump him, Pike (and thus the Masons) into the same ridiculous conspiracy theory with the Communists, Nazis, and Jews (who were all apparently working together behind the scenes).

If this makes your head hurt, you're not alone.

[Hunter121]

In a nutshell, the letter's fake, and doesn't exist. It was invented to prop up another conspiracy theory fairy tale known as the Taxil hoax.

He wrote, "Albert Pike to some Italian guy with the last name of Mazzini dated August 15, 1871."

This "some Italian guy" was supposed to be Giuseppe Mazzini, one of the forefathers of the Italian Republic. Mazzini was known for being distrusting of Catholicism, so the conspiray theorists attempt to lump him, Pike (and thus the Masons) into the same ridiculous conspiracy theory with the Communists, Nazis, and Jews (who were all apparently working together behind the scenes).

If this makes your head hurt, you're not alone.

How do you know so much about all this stuff? Just wondering.

[Free Indeed]

How do you know so much about all this stuff? Just wondering.

A little birdie told me.



Actually, I minored in history. The allegations here against Mazzini, not to even mention Pike, are beyond laughable.

[Fenris]

How do you know so much about all this stuff? Just wondering.

I may not always agree with his ideology, but KT is one smart dude.

[Amos_with_goats]

......it is hard to talk about Freemasonry in a negative manner when they contribute all sorts of charity work. A very good cover for the evil within, indeed. Who can argue with a "fraternity" that donates millions of dollars to help people? "It's hard to kick against the pricks." And of course not every Freemason is a part of the sinister plot, at least not willingly. Many in the fraternity never make it to the top, which is no surprise, since they aren't Illuminated Satanists.

So yes, it does exist, it is evil, and it is worth noting. Serving Satan out of ignorance is just as bad as serving him willingly. As I've said before, many people have spoken out against Freemasonry who are former members of the organization. It doesn't take but a simple web search to find more information and literature on the subject, and I suggest anyone sincerely interested in this subject to do so. I also urge any person here who claims the title of "Freemason" to reconsider after looking at it from a spiritual perspective.

God bless, in Jesus' name, Amen.

The practice of the 'Craft' of the Freemason is a pit that the deceiver would trap a man in to take to hell.

Good men, smart men, men who would even be duped into believing they can serve both masters (the Lord, and "the great architect")
get caught up in this evil, and many will not even know they are trapped until they have 'progressed' too far to turn back.

Here is an excellent site for any seeking to understand the dangers of the Craft of Freemasonry Ex-Masons For Jesus.

Light has NO fellowship with darkness.

A follower of Christ has NO place associating with those who kneel at the altar to Baal.

[shepherdsword]

Anyone have opinions on the illuminati?

You mean the Illuminoti?

I think if someone wants to propagate some vast world-wide conspiracy the focus would be better off shifted to the real minions of the devil;the super-rich international bankers who manipulate the media and the markets.

[Raybob]

You mean the Illuminoti?

I think if someone wants to propagate some vast world-wide conspiracy the focus would be better off shifted to the real minions of the devil;the super-rich international bankers who manipulate the media and the markets.

Maybe it's better put, "IllumiNAZI". Right now, about 200 miles from me is a meeting at the Bohemian Grove going on that began yesterday and will continue for some time of the most important men of the world. They hold satanic rituals there and offer sacrifices to their 'god'. It's so sick to learn about and it's so sad the way these 'great men' call all the shots of what goes on in the world of finances, wars, etc. The sad part is, I'm a three hour drive from there but there's really nothing I can do about it. At least I can pray.

[shepherdsword]

Maybe it's better put, "IllumiNAZI". Right now, about 200 miles from me is a meeting at the Bohemian Grove going on that began yesterday and will continue for some time of the most important men of the world. They hold satanic rituals there and offer sacrifices to their 'god'. It's so sick to learn about and it's so sad the way these 'great men' call all the shots of what goes on in the world of finances, wars, etc. The sad part is, I'm a three hour drive from there but there's really nothing I can do about it. At least I can pray.

Yeah,I have known about the grove for a few years now. I saw the Alex Jones expose on it a few years back. I know all bout the Bilderburgers,Trilateral Commission and the Council on Foreign Relations. However,these groups are just the puppets that front as paper tigers. They play as the scapegoats.The real puppet masters that are pulling their strings are virtually unknown. It's more about greed and power than some secret devotion to the devil,although they probably pay him lip services and he in turn makes them his puppets,thereby ruling this present world.