The Book of Job...explain????

[rejoice44]

the word translated as "repent" attributed to Job is the same as the word translated as "comfort" when it says a little later that Job's family came comfort him. I believe the correct translation is: therefore I take comfort is dust and ashes

You realize that you are saying all the translators of the English translations got it wrong.

[rejoice44]

Job is supposed to deal with undeserved suffering. if you deny that is what the book it about, then where and when do you think God speaks to the issue?

I don't believe it was undeserved suffering, neither did Elihu.

[rejoice44]

to post that Job in any way deserved or needed the trials that were visited upon him is a grotesque distortion.

God said Job was right and wise coming and going.

Job's testing was for the purpose of bringing him to God. Job didn't know God in the beginning, but in the end he did.

[webbguy4]

you could actually have answered this question , i threw you an easy one

[webbguy4]

Job is in my opinion the oldest book of the bible. there are no quotes from genesis, no mention of the exodus and no mention of the ten commandments. So why did God need to give us the book of Job first? because life doesn't make sense.

In polytheistic cultures the unfairness of life is easily explained as the result of competing supernatural forces. However, the idea of a single God who loves you requires a more complicated explanation. Hence, the book of Job.

There are many difficulties in translating the book of Job. there are about 100 hebrew words in the book of Job that appear no where else, the meanings have to be inferred from the context and are therefore subject to the biased inclinations of the translater.

There is a long standing tradition in Hebrew cultures of unabashed jealousy of the righteousness of Job. It was a plainly stated concern of ancient jewish commentators that the righteousness of Job would be seen as greater than abraham. they invented bizarre justifications for the suffering of Job. One of the most infamous being that Job suffered because he was one of the kings that the pharaoh consulted before trying to kill all the first born among the jews in egypt and Job never answered the pharoah to tell him no. Myths and distortions of been applied to Job for centuries and they continue today.

[rejoice44]

you could actually have answered this question , i threw you an easy one

You lost me, please explain.

[webbguy4]

You lost me, please explain.

I asked "when and where does God address the question of undeserved suffering? i thought you were anticipating I had a clever response, so you avoided answering an easy question.

[rejoice44]

I asked "when and where does God address the question of undeserved suffering? i thought you were anticipating I had a clever response, so you avoided answering an easy question.

Do you mean underserved suffering at the hand of God?

Have to leave for a couple of hours, will get back to you.

[ewq1938]

the word translated as "repent" attributed to Job is the same as the word translated as "comfort" when it says a little later that Job's family came comfort him. I believe the correct translation is: therefore I take comfort is dust and ashes

Only a qualified and educated translator who is an expert in the language can make such a decision and their decision was "repent" which is the proper and correct choice.

[ewq1938]

Does it matter whether Job was saved or not?

Not as far as what the book is trying to teach.

What did Job win?

God's blessing and support.

Job 42:10 And the Lord made up to Job for all his losses, after he had made prayer for his friends: and all Job had before was increased by the Lord twice as much.
Job 42:11 And all his brothers and sisters, and his friends of earlier days, came and took food with him in his house; and made clear their grief for him, and gave him comfort for all the evil which the Lord had sent on him; and they all gave him a bit of money and a gold ring.
Job 42:12 And the Lord's blessing was greater on the end of Job's life than on its start: and so he came to have fourteen thousand sheep and goats, and six thousand camels, and two thousand oxen, and a thousand she-asses.

[rejoice44]

Job is in my opinion the oldest book of the bible. there are no quotes from genesis, no mention of the exodus and no mention of the ten commandments. So why did God need to give us the book of Job first? because life doesn't make sense.

1. I believe that Job is one of the later books in the bible. The order of Noah, Daniel, and Job is given twice in Ezekiel. Noah and Daniel are in order, Noah coming before Daniel. If Job was the earlier of the three logic would suggest that Job should have been listed first.

2. The correlation between Lamentations and Job. The first eighteen verses in Lamentation chapter three have a corresponding verse in Job.
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Lamentations 3:1 I am the man who has seen affliction by the rod of his wrath.

Job 19:8 He has also kindled his wrath against me, and he counts me to him as one of his enemies.
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Lamentations 3:2 He has led me, and brought me into darkness, but not into light.

Job 30:26 When I looked for good, then evil came to me: and when I waited for light, there came darkness.
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Lamentations 3:3 Surely against me He has turned His hand Repeatedly all the day.

Job 30:21 You have turned cruel to me; with the might of your hand you persecute me.
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Lamentations 3:4 My flesh and my skin has he made old; he has broken my bones.

Job 33:21 His flesh wastes away to nothing, and his bones, once hidden, now stick out.
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Lamentations 3:5 He has built against me, and compassed me with gall and travail.

Job 16:13 His archers compass me round about; He cleaveth my reins asunder, and doth not spare; He poureth out my gall upon the ground.
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Lamentations 3:6 He hath made me to dwell in dark places, as those that have been long dead.

Job 3:4-5 Let that day be darkness; let not God regard it from above, neither let the light shine upon it. Let darkness and the shadow of death stain it; let a cloud dwell on it; let the blackness of the day terrify it.
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Lamentations 3:7 He hath hedged me about, that I cannot get out: he hath made my chain heavy.

Job 3:23, Why is light given to a man whose way is hid, And whom God hath hedged in? (19:8) He has fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he has set darkness in my paths.
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Lamentations 3:8 Also when I cry and shout, he shuts out my prayer.

Job 30:20 I cry to you, and you do not hear me: I stand up, and you regard me not.
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Lamentations 3:9 He hath walled up my ways with hewn stone; he hath made my paths crooked.

Job 12:25 They grope in the dark without light, and he makes them to stagger like a drunken man.
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Lamentations 3:10 He was to me as a bear lying in wait, and as a lion in secret places.

Job 10:16 For it increases. You hunt me as a fierce lion: and again you show yourself marvelous on me.
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Lamentations 3:11 He has turned aside my ways, and pulled me in pieces: he has made me desolate.

Job 19:8-9 He has fenced up my way that I cannot pass, and he has set darkness in my paths. He has stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.
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Lamentations 3:12 He has bent his bow, and set me as a mark for the arrow.

Job 16:12 I was at ease, but he has broken me asunder: he has also taken me by my neck, and shaken me to pieces, and set me up for his mark.
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Lamentations 3:13 He has caused the arrows of his quiver to enter into my reins.

Job 16:13 His archers compass me round about, he splits my reins asunder, and does not spare; he pours out my gall on the ground.
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Lamentations 3:14 was a derision to all my people; and their song all the day.

Job 30:9 And now am I their song, yes, I am their byword.
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Lamentations 3:15 He has filled me with bitterness, he has made me drunken with wormwood.

Job 9:18 He will not suffer me to take my breath, but fills me with bitterness.
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Lamentations 3:16 He has also broken my teeth with gravel stones, he has covered me with ashes.

Job 2:8 And he took him a potsherd to scrape himself with; and he sat down among the ashes. (29:17) And I broke the jaws of the wicked, and plucked the spoil out of his teeth.
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Lamentations 3:17 And you have removed my soul far off from peace: I forgot prosperity.

Job 7:15 So that my soul chooses strangling, and death rather than my life.
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Lamentations 3:18 And I said, My strength and my hope is perished from the LORD:

Job 19:10 He has destroyed me on every side, and I am gone: and my hope has he removed like a tree.
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[rejoice44]

As you compare the book of Job with the book of Lamentations it becomes evident that there is a definite relationship. A deeper study shows even a stronger relationship, such as when Job said,
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Job 2:10 What? Shall we receive good at the hand of God, and shall we not receive evil?

Lamentations 3:38 Out of the mouth of the most High proceedeth not evil and good?
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Job 19:10 He has stripped me of my glory, and taken the crown from my head.

Lamentations 5:16 The crown is fallen from our head: woe unto us, that we have sinned.
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There is another verse in the book of Jeremiah that ties in with Job very strongly.

In chapter 20 of Jeremiah, Jeremiah has been put in prison by Pashur, and we find his amazing words that parallel that of Job’s, in Job chapter 3.
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Jeremiah 20:14 Cursed be the day wherein I was born: let not the day wherein my mother bare me be blessed.

Job 3:3 Let the day perish wherein I was born , and the night in which it was said, there is a man child conceived.
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To understand what is going on here you must go to Lamentations chapter 4. In verse twenty one and twenty two, and it says, "Rejoice and be glad O daughter of Edom, that dwellest in the land of Uz; the cup also shall pass through unto thee: thou shall be drunken, and shall make thyself naked. The punishement of thine iniquity is accomplished, O daughter of Zion: he will no more carry thee away into captivity: he will visit thine iniquity, O daughter of Edom: he will discover thy sins."

In Lamentations we are presented the captivity and punishment of Israel, the daughter of Zion. And then we see that the same cup is passed to Esau, the daughter of Edom. We have the two brothers Jacob and Esau. The one had resided in Jerusalem, and the other in Uz. Remember who the greatest man in Uz is? The cup of woe was passed first to Jacob, and then to Esau.

[webbguy4]

the daniel referred to in ezekial is not the same daniel of the later bible book

it is more likely that lamentations is quoting Job than the other way around. a lot of i discussion about righteousness in the book of Job and not one mention of any of the law of moses? not likely.

Job gives sacrifices to God in the manner of the patriarchs, no mention of a priesthood

[webbguy4]

I really can't get accusing Job of self righteousness, aligning yourself with Eliphaz and friends, who were specifically rebuked by God. and that was their main contention with Job.

Eliphaz starts of so politely. then he starts with this vision he had with a mysterious spirit saying "can a man be more righteous than God". this is where things fall apart between Job and friends. But up to this point you can't deny that God had already endorsed Job's righteousness. (though Eliphaz didn't know it) What Eliphaz did know was he had to play second fiddle to Job for years. later content revealed that Job was the one people came to when the wanted the last word in a difficult case and the envy was eating Eliphaz up, so the satan sent Eliphaz that vision to push him in that direction. Notice how Eliphaz and friends are driven to ever greater outbursts of anger over Job's protestations of innocence. These guys drop all pretense of speaking to Job in love.

[webbguy4]

The theme of Job is: life is not fair, God is fair...resolve

things get really distorted when you try to claim that life is fair to resolve this. God himself said to the satan "you incited me to destroy him without cause"