The Book of Job...explain????

[RabbiKnife]

When you start making a theme it becomes an opinion. The truth lies in the verses. I have yet to hear a verse from Job quoted.

When you start taking verses out of their context, it becomes a FrankenOpinion.

Read it.

Gazillions of "Christians" quote Job 22:28 out of context and say "You will declare and decree a thing and it will come to pass."

But look at what God says about Eliphaz in Job 42:7-8...He calls Eliphaz a liar, and his words "folly."

A verse out of context is useless.

[VerticalReality]

If you are going to understand this book you have to throw away opinions and examine this text. The answer lies with the words. It is really self explanatory if you really hear what is being said.

My post had nothing to do with just opinion. In fact, my post had to do with examining the entirety of God's word rather than just single verses here and there of one book in the Bible. What you are suggesting I do is exactly what a good portion of believers today do and in the process build doctrines that are not congruent with the whole of God's word.

You did not read that from any verse that is in this book. If you feel you did read it from this book, please present the verse.

Job 42:7
And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

So, what was their message to Job? What did they speak that was incorrect?

This book does not discuss whether Job had to submit to the test, it was not even a consideration.

Why isn't it a consideration when considering the whole of God's word? See, that is exactly the problem. Christians today want to take small passages here and there of one book in the Bible and then build doctrines out of it. That is not the way it is supposed to be done. We should be looking at the whole of God's word.

Pertaining to the book of Job, Job didn't have a choice as to whether he would submit to the test.

Okay, so now that some think Job didn't have a choice should we now build a doctrine for Christians today suggesting the same thing? Are there some things that the devil is going to bring our way that we just don't have any other choice but to accept? Is this the way we should build our doctrine, or should we instead look at the whole of God's word?

Should we not consider the fact that Job didn't have any knowledge whatsoever of the devil bringing these attacks against him? Should we not also consider scriptures that suggest God's people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge? Should we deny the fact that the whole of God's word is basically a user's manual on how to walk in life abundantly as opposed to death and destruction?

[Nobunaga]

The trouble trying to explain the message of the book is that there are many realities on display in the book, i dont think anyone is wrong just perhaps highlighting another theme rather than the one the next person is highlighting. I personally think psalm 42 is a good parralel to the book of Job and psalm 42:5 in particular could be a sound bite.

Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior. and my God.

I think this could be the message Job is trying to tell us. Though we are downcast and don't know why troubles have befallen us, we must trust in God. For He is Good.

[HisLeast]

The trouble trying to explain the message of the book is that there are many realities on display in the book, i dont think anyone is wrong just perhaps highlighting another theme rather than the one the next person is highlighting. I personally think psalm 42 is a good parralel to the book of Job and psalm 42:5 in particular could be a sound bite.

Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior. and my God.

I think this could be the message Job is trying to tell us. Though we are downcast and don't know why troubles have befallen us, we must trust in God. For He is Good.

Except that too often it is perverted to "if trouble befalls you, you deserve it". God has nothing to do with it, except when invoked as the grand cosmic boogeyman.

[rejoice44]

Job 38:1 [I]Then the LORD answered Job out of the whirlwind, and said:
2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?

Fenris if you believed in the New Testament you would be better able to see the truth of this book.

Paul had all the answers for this book.

Job had a zeal for God but it was without knowledge. I blieve you would agree with that.

God said, Who is this that darkeneth counsell by words withou knowledge.

Paul said that about Israel. Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.

God said, Will you condemn me that you might be righteous.

Paul said, Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God. For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every one that believeth.

Paul said in verse 10:1 "That his hearts desire and prayer to God for Israel is, that they might be saved.

[rejoice44]

"Verses" are a contrivance. The story of Job wasn't written with verse and chapter markers. Never-the-less, those verses have been specified for you in my second post to the thread. The fact that one must read more than one, and look at them in the context of the book as a whole, does not mean citations haven't been provided for you.

How about if you present a whole paragraph. You cannot say the whole book says it, that merely becomes your opinion.

[Fenris]

Fenris if you believed in the New Testament you would be better able to see the truth of this book.

Actually, I do see the truth about this book.

[HisLeast]

How about if you present a whole paragraph. You cannot say the whole book says it, that merely becomes your opinion.

This will be the third time, but ok.

Job 4 & 5 (in their entirety)
Job 8 (in its entirety)
Job 8:5-7 (very specifically)
Job 10:4-6
Job 10:14-16

Job 42:8

[rejoice44]

Job 42:7
And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

So, what was their message to Job? What did they speak that was incorrect?

You have misquoted the verse and it is essential. They are two opposites, what is right is different from what is incorrect

Also it wasn't what they said, but what they didn't say.

I can say there is no God, and that is incorrect.

I can be a witness for Christ, and that would be saying what is right. I can also keep my mouth shut, and then I would not have said that which is right.

[rejoice44]

When you start taking verses out of their context, it becomes a FrankenOpinion.

Read it.

Gazillions of "Christians" quote Job 22:28 out of context and say "You will declare and decree a thing and it will come to pass."

But look at what God says about Eliphaz in Job 42:7-8...He calls Eliphaz a liar, and his words "folly."

A verse out of context is useless.

What verse did I take out of context?

[rejoice44]

My post had nothing to do with just opinion. In fact, my post had to do with examining the entirety of God's word rather than just single verses here and there of one book in the Bible. What you are suggesting I do is exactly what a good portion of believers today do and in the process build doctrines that are not congruent with the whole of God's word.



Job 42:7
And so it was, after the LORD had spoken these words to Job, that the LORD said to Eliphaz the Temanite, “My wrath is aroused against you and your two friends, for you have not spoken of Me what is right, as My servant Job has.

So, what was their message to Job? What did they speak that was incorrect?



Why isn't it a consideration when considering the whole of God's word? See, that is exactly the problem. Christians today want to take small passages here and there of one book in the Bible and then build doctrines out of it. That is not the way it is supposed to be done. We should be looking at the whole of God's word.



Okay, so now that some think Job didn't have a choice should we now build a doctrine for Christians today suggesting the same thing? Are there some things that the devil is going to bring our way that we just don't have any other choice but to accept? Is this the way we should build our doctrine, or should we instead look at the whole of God's word?

Should we not consider the fact that Job didn't have any knowledge whatsoever of the devil bringing these attacks against him? Should we not also consider scriptures that suggest God's people are destroyed for a lack of knowledge? Should we deny the fact that the whole of God's word is basically a user's manual on how to walk in life abundantly as opposed to death and destruction?

If I am taking something out of context, please present it.

[rejoice44]

The trouble trying to explain the message of the book is that there are many realities on display in the book, i dont think anyone is wrong just perhaps highlighting another theme rather than the one the next person is highlighting. I personally think psalm 42 is a good parralel to the book of Job and psalm 42:5 in particular could be a sound bite.

Why are you downcast, O my soul? Why so disturbed within me? Put your hope in God, for I will yet praise him, my Savior. and my God.

I think this could be the message Job is trying to tell us. Though we are downcast and don't know why troubles have befallen us, we must trust in God. For He is Good.

If you want to parallel another book with Job, consider Lamentations.

Chapter four says that the daughter of Edom dwells in the land of Uz, and then consider that Job was the greatest man in the land of Uz.

And then read the third chapter of Lamentations and consider that ever one of the first eighteen verses, has a parallel verse in Job.

[VerticalReality]

You have misquoted the verse and it is essential. They are two opposites, what is right is different from what is incorrect

Also it wasn't what they said, but what they didn't say.

I can say there is no God, and that is incorrect.

I can be a witness for Christ, and that would be saying what is right. I can also keep my mouth shut, and then I would not have said that which is right.

Are you serious? That is so far-reaching it's really not worth debating further.

[rejoice44]

Actually, I do see the truth about this book.

You will get no argument from me.

[Fenris]

You will get no argument from me.

Really? Wow, this is a first!