The Book of Job...explain????

[ewq1938]

The friends couldn't be witnesses because they didn't know God either.

I don't think we can say that about them because scripture doesn't. We know they didn't answer Job well enough and that God says they didn't speak correctly about Him but any further is further than the scriptures venture.

[rejoice44]

I don't think we can say that about them because scripture doesn't. We know they didn't answer Job well enough and that God says they didn't speak correctly about Him but any further is further than the scriptures venture.

Well Job didn't know God. Job said he didn't know who God was, or how to find God.

When we are saved, doesn't God accept the sacrifice of his Son, and in so doing accepts us because of that sacrifice?

God accepted Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar, and Job after a sacrifice was offerred. Because of Abraham's offering, the Messiah was promised.

Genesis 22:2 And he said, Take now thy son, thine only son Isaac, whom thou lovest, and get thee into the land of Moriah; and offer him there for a burnt offering upon one of the mountains which I will tell thee of.

Genesis 22:18 And in thy seed shall all the nations of the earth be blessed; because thou hast obeyed my voice.

We see the sacrifice of animals as a substitutional atonement until the seed should come.

Job 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.

I think it is significant that scripture says that Job was also accepted.

[rejoice44]

the daniel referred to in ezekial is not the same daniel of the later bible book

If you are referring to the Ugaritic Daniel, he was a polytheist, and could hardly be described as righteous before God.

it is more likely that lamentations is quoting Job than the other way around. a lot of i discussion about righteousness in the book of Job and not one mention of any of the law of moses? not likely.

In my world scripture is inspired by God, and not copied from another writer. The cup of woe that is passed from Israel to Edom would be the reason why the scripture looks so much alike. Surely Job represented Edom. The land of Uz is mentioned only three times in the bible, once in Job, once in Jeremiah, and once in Lamentations. The land of Uz is the land of the Edomites, and the greatest man in Uz was Job.

Job gives sacrifices to God in the manner of the patriarchs, no mention of a priesthood

As you look at Numbers 23:29 you will see that Balaam offered up seven bullocks and seven rams, the same as in Job, and Balaam was not a member of the priesthood of the Jews.

[ewq1938]

Well Job didn't know God.

Of course he did.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

Job said he didn't know who God was, or how to find God.

Job said huge amounts of things that weren't true.

When we are saved, doesn't God accept the sacrifice of his Son, and in so doing accepts us because of that sacrifice?

Yep.

God accepted Eliphaz, Bildad, Zophar, and Job after a sacrifice was offerred.

Yep, all in chapter 42.

Job 42:9 So Eliphaz the Temanite and Bildad the Shuhite and Zophar the Naamathite went, and did according as the LORD commanded them: the LORD also accepted Job.

I think it is significant that scripture says that Job was also accepted.

Not really significant...Job was accepted after repenting. It had nothing to do with what the three friends sacrificed.

Job 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

[Scooby_Snacks]

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[rejoice44]

Of course he did.

Job 1:1 There was a man in the land of Uz, whose name was Job; and that man was perfect and upright, and one that feared God, and eschewed evil.

Job 1:20 Then Job arose, and rent his mantle, and shaved his head, and fell down upon the ground, and worshipped,
Job 1:21 And said, Naked came I out of my mother's womb, and naked shall I return thither: the LORD gave, and the LORD hath taken away; blessed be the name of the LORD.

There is a big difference between fearing God, and knowing God. If you asked Fenris if he feared God his answer, I am sure, would be yes.

Consider the words in the book of Job with the words of Paul in Romans.

Elihu speaking , Job 34:35 Job hath spoken without knowledge, and his words were without wisdom.


Elihu speaking, Job 35:16 Therefore doth Job open his mouth in vain; he multiplieth words without knowledge.


God speaking, Job 38:2 Who is this that darkeneth counsel by words without knowledge?


Job speaking, Job 42:3 Who is he that hideth counsel without knowledge? therefore have I uttered that I understood not; things too wonderful for me, which I knew not.


Paul speaking, Romans 10:2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not according to knowledge.


Paul speaking, Romans 10:3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted themselves unto the righteousness of God.

Job speaking, Job 27:6 My righteousness I hold fast, and will not let it go: my heart shall not reproach me so long as I live.

Notice what else Paul said. Romans 10:1 My hearts desire for Israel is that they might be saved.

Job said huge amounts of things that weren't true.

Yes, like God would laugh at the trial of the innocent, and that God was unjust.

Not really significant...Job was accepted after repenting. It had nothing to do with what the three friends sacrificed.

Job 42:8 Therefore take unto you now seven bullocks and seven rams, and go to my servant Job, and offer up for yourselves a burnt offering; and my servant Job shall pray for you: for him will I accept: lest I deal with you after your folly, in that ye have not spoken of me the thing which is right, like my servant Job.

Job had asked God that someone might pray for him, and in response to that request, God allows Job to pray for his friends. Job 16:21 "O that one might plead for a man with God, as a man pleadeth for his neighbour!"

[webbguy4]

Elihu as the mediator Job requested?

Nah, how can Elihu lay a hand on God and restrain him?

Elihu was certainly a step up from Eliphaz and friends, he used a more civil tone, he quoted Job correctly without distorting what Job said, like Eliphaz and friends did, and best of all he was willing to concede that there was some other purpose to Job's trials OTHER than punishment.

"Job sought to justify himself rather than God"
yeah he did, but put yourself in his shoes, he knew he did nothing wrong. God knew he did nothing wrong, at least to deserve the deaths of his children , the loss of his wealth, and the disdain of all who knew him. God said to the satan: "you incited me destroy him without cause".

have you ever been falsely accused ? of horrible things? by angry people who called themselves friends. of course you will justify yourself.

yeah, when God confronts we fall short , we answer to him not him to us, But Job was being honest , it wasn't a sin

[webbguy4]

go to "Christianity Today" website , search for "Book of Job" and click on reductionist justice

[webbguy4]

rejoice44,

we know God said that Eliphaz and friends said things that weren't right. what do you think those things are?

Some of the things they said may have been correct, but they wern't right. As Job explained to his friends (chapter 16) there are something you just don't say to grieving people even if they might be true. you don't tell a grieving parent their children are dead because they deserved it, or they were killed because you deserve it. Even if there were some chance that was true. a friend just doesn't say those things

[webbguy4]

Only a qualified and educated translator who is an expert in the language can make such a decision and their decision was "repent" which is the proper and correct choice.

CEV (common English version) translation of the bible says "take comfort in dust and ashes"

[webbguy4]

"qualified and educated translater"

hmm. should I have faith in qualifications or education? or faith in God? I think I can research for myself.

[webbguy4]

I have a really boring job in a factory. a few weeks ago I was thinking on the book of Job as I worked. I have been reading and studying this for months, so it is often on my mind. In my study of Job I was trying to make a point of not looking for answers, i just wanted to refine the questions. But some answers came to me though I tried to make them unwelcome. Here is one. there is a difference between Job's first and second responses to God's revelations. The answer came to me. I didn't want it, I wasn't even looking for it, it knocked me back on my keister.

Joy

In the second response Job is reconciled to God. Job accepts. Job knows his dead children are safe with God. Job is overwhelmed with JOY! Job is no longer the humble petitioner meekly submitting to God's will. He loves and is loved. He takes comfort in dust and ashes.

The blessings that come to Job at the end are not a payment exactly, what they are for us, the reader, is evidence, that Job has embraced and been embraced by God and will now live in that Joy. he would not even have accepted these gifts in the depths of his despair.

"blessed are those who mourn, for they will be comforted"

no one is more honest than one who mourns and mourning is always the loss of love in some form. and nothing will comfort except love.

[webbguy4]

The preceding revelation came to me before I knew the hebrew word translated as "repent" is other places in the book of Job translated as "comfort"

[rejoice44]

The preceding revelation came to me before I knew the hebrew word translated as "repent" is other places in the book of Job translated as "comfort"

You really need to rethink this. The reason the translators translated the word repent is because the Hebrew takes a different form in Job 42:6 than it does where it is translated comfort. ewq1938 tried to alert you to this.

[rejoice44]

CEV (common English version) translation of the bible says "take comfort in dust and ashes"

CEV (Copyright 1995) Job 42:6 That’s why I hate myself and sit here in dust and ashes to show my sorrow.