We have free will. God just knew which way you would choose, but the choice is yours.
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We have free will. God just knew which way you would choose, but the choice is yours.
"The Lord is my shepherd."
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Yes. God KNOWS all things - He does not "force" things.Originally Posted by LankyLee
Not only that, He also knows what would have happened to all the people we would touch in our lives IF we had made other choices. That's a mind boggler for you :-) - at least it is for me.
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WOW I never thought of it that way.
"The Lord is my shepherd."
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No. Predestination only has to do with with what those who believe will receive. It has nothing to do with who will receive.
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what??
I'm saying we have free will to become a child of God or .....NOT.
God knows which choice we will make in the end.
But it is OUR choice to make. .....am I wrong?
....if not explain
"The Lord is my shepherd."
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Yes, whether or not we become a child of God is our choice.
Yes, God knows what choice we will make.
This has absolutely nothing to do with predestination. Look up the word. Do any of the verses even imply whether or not we will believe? No they do not. They only talk about what we will receive because we believe.
- conformed into the image of His Son
- to the adoption of sons
The words means 'to determine'. Look at how the word is used elsewhere. God determined before hand that those that believe would receive. That's all predestination is.
Does that help you see it more clearly?
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OK. I adhere to the right docrine just have labeled it wrong?
"The Lord is my shepherd."
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Yes, you are talking about election, not predestination. They are two distinct doctrines. The elect are predestined.
Coffee Break
If you've read Bandits posts he covers this issue very well. It is corporate. God has predestined that those who believe will be conformed to the image of His Son. He has "Not" predestined who will believe.
I live here!
Predestination is always based on foreknowledge.
"MISSION: To rescue Christians enslaved by manmade religion and to bring them to the freedom of Jesus."
Soli Deo Gloria
But events foreknown are not always predestined.
I live here!
And predestination is never based on arbitrary choice.
"MISSION: To rescue Christians enslaved by manmade religion and to bring them to the freedom of Jesus."
Soli Deo Gloria
Agreed. Dead men cant make choices.
Posting Freak
Could "whom he did foreknow" not also mean people he had once had a knowing relationship with? Lets say you were married to a woman when you were sixteen years old and after ten years you divorced her. At age fifty your paths cross again in another country. Could you say that you did foreknow her? Who knows maybe she will return to her first husband. I love happy endings.
Coffee Break
You've hit the nail on the head my friend. That is how Paul is using the term. He isn't speaking of God knowing people before they are born. In context he is speaking of the Jewish people. Paul begins to address the Jewish believers a t Rome in chapter 2
Romans 2:17 ( KJV )
Behold, thou art called a Jew, and restest in the law, and makest thy boast of God,
he continues until he reaches chapter 11
Romans 11:13 ( KJV )
For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:
This entire section is speaking about the Jews. In chapter 8 Paul says those who God foreknew He did predestine to be conformed to the image of His Son. Then in chapter 11 He tells exactly who they are that God foreknew.
Romans 11:1-2 ( KJV )
I say then, Hath God cast away his people? God forbid. For I also am an Israelite, of the seed of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin.
God hath not cast away his people which he foreknew.
That's why it's important to keep everything in context.
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