
Originally Posted by
mattlad22
Its not a perspective. Its the His word. I'm not amil, premil post mil or any of those perceptive definitions that are out there, in fact i cant even tell you what the point of all of them are.
You want to lump me into any of them thats your choice.
You tell me one man who has caused every tribe, nation and tongue to worship him as God and actually succeed in doing so. Theres none, not during the romans, not during the dark ages and nowhere near our own time in history.
That man "the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, the antichrist, has to be present at Christ's second coming, the Word has to be fullfilled. Not from any perspective, from TRUTH.
Are you saying the second coming has come? Were we not warned by Him to keep away from such doctrines?
How can Satan be bound if hes bound at Christ's second coming?
If the beast and false prophet are already cast into the fire at Christ's second coming and the 1000 years follows the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and follows the events of all people worshipping the beast and follows the beast overcoming the saints.
He who has ears let him hear
"And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and thier armies, gathered together to make war againts Him who sat on the horse and againts His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he decieved those who recieved the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the hourse. And all the birds of the air were filled with thier flesh."
Do we agree that this event happens at the Lords return?
Now we should agree that is the return of the Lord, I dont see with what way you could come up with in disagreement, so ill skip the next verse because i believe it is common practice for you to say "but it doesnt directly say Satan is captured following this, its just another verse that can be interpreted to fit anywhere"
So i'll skip it.
"And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgement was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for thier witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not recieved his mark on their foreheads or on thier hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first ressurection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first ressurection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."
Paul tells us that when Christ returns we shall be transformed from corruption to incorruption, the dead and alive shall meet with Him in the air.
Revelation further tells us and specifically includes "Those who did not worship the beast or his image or take the mark on thier foreheads or hands" will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years.
This is the first ressurection in which all the saints, that includes Paul, Peter ext will be raised at His second coming, this includes those who are mentioned above, that were killed during the beast's time.
Were still in agreement that the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire at Christ's second coming right?
Do we agree that the ressurection in which Paul also speaks of occurs at Christ's coming according to His word?
So what is this ressurection that occurs prior to the thousand years, but after Christ's coming? Is it not the same ressurection Paul speaks of?
They live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, after His second coming, after the beast and false prophet according to His word, No?
"Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to decieve the nations which are in the four corners of the earth"
If satan is to be released at the end of the thousand years, but the thousand years does not take place until the second coming, and the beast and false prophets casting into the fire, the first ressurection and the saints living and reigning with Christ for a thousand years also occurs at His second coming.........
But satan isnt released until the thousand years are finished.....so when was he bound?
The thousand years doesnt start until all of those things (Second coming, beast and false prophet cast into the fire, the first ressurection)
So if it doesnt start until then, but satan is bound for a thousand years and is released at the end of a thousand years, when is he bound according to the Word? At the start of a thousand years, right? a thousand years has to begin in order for him to be bound for a thousand years and released at the end of a thousand years.
And if the thousand years doesnt occur until the first ressurection and the first ressurection includes those who did not worship the beast ext and the beast is cast into the fire at Christ's second coming then when does the thousand years start?
After His second coming, when the saints are ressurected into incorruption to live and reign a thousand years.
That is when Satan is bound at the beggining of the thousand years.
He has to be bound for a thousand years and released according to His word.
The thousand years starts at Christ's coming, the first ressurection when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire, so when does satans thousand years begin? At Christ coming, the first ressurection, when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire.
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