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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    DiviD, does this answer who brings on the 'fire'"

    2 Thessalonians 2:8
    And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming:

    Also, earlier in that same chapter, Paul declared this:

    2 Thessalonians 2:1-3
    1 [I]Now we beseech you, brethren, by the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ[/I], and by our gathering together unto him, This has to be what some call 'the rapture.'!!! He comes...and we are gathered!

    2 That ye be not soon shaken in mind, or be troubled, neither by spirit, nor by word, nor by letter as from us, as that the day of Christ is at hand.

    3 Let no man deceive you by any means: for that day shall not come, except
    there come a falling away first,
    and that man of sin be revealed, the son of perdition;

    So, doesn't this mean
    1- At Christ's return
    2- When we are gathered to him (the rapture!)
    THEN...the man of sin will be revealed.
    4- The wicked will be destroyed at the brightness of his coming!


    DD, from a premil pov it's not much of a problem. Jesus is the one that fits your passages..no disagreements there. But if Jesus is already on the earth, then fire that comes down from God out of heaven, that fire could just as easily be via the Father. The verse says God. It doesn't tell us whether it's the Father or the Son. If the 1000 yrs are future, this places the Son already literally on the earth. That would have to mean that it is the Father that rains down fire and devours them.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post

    No holes at all, DivaD. None at all. It all fits like pieces of a beautiful puzzle!


    DD, the way I might interpret it, there would be holes in it. It would seem that the little season might correspond with the war in heaven. That would seem like the logical place to plce it. But if this war in heaven occured in the first century, that leaves no place for the 1000 years.

    Revelation 12:7 And there was war in heaven: Michael and his angels fought against the dragon; and the dragon fought and his angels,
    8 And prevailed not; neither was their place found any more in heaven.
    9 And the great dragon was cast out, that old serpent, called the Devil, and Satan, which deceiveth the whole world: he was cast out into the earth, and his angels were cast out with him.
    10 And I heard a loud voice saying in heaven, Now is come salvation, and strength, and the kingdom of our God, and the power of his Christ: for the accuser of our brethren is cast down, which accused them before our God day and night.
    11 And they overcame him by the blood of the Lamb, and by the word of their testimony; and they loved not their lives unto the death.
    12 Therefore rejoice, ye heavens, and ye that dwell in them. Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time.

    Let's say this event happens at Christ's ascension, but it's not satan's little season that follows the 1000 years. Let's say that during this time it's the period of the 1000 years, meaning satan is bound in some way.

    But look at verse 12...Woe to the inhabiters of the earth and of the sea! for the devil is come down unto you, having great wrath, because he knoweth that he hath but a short time. Somehow, in my mind, being bound, having great wrath, well..they hardly go together. It doesn't even seem like the same context. What good would the great wrath do you, if you were bound in some manner?

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir-Olorin View Post
    Santa's trinity is counterfeit, it's not authentic like The Holy Trinity.

    Satan obviously isn't coming out of he Abyss in Chapter 9 when he's not placed in it till Chapter 20.
    Exactly, the beast is not the one referred here as the one that was, is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit into perdition, It is a refrence to who the beast is with Satan and the "that was, is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit into perdition is a showing of the reletions the beast and Satan have, Satan is the one who was, is not and will ascend out of the bottomless pit.
    It is the same way of speaking in refrence to Christ and God. They are One outside of being actually individual.
    The beast has all power,throne and great authority that Satan has, however the beast and Satan are not one individual but two seperate exactly the same.
    Christ has all power, throne and authority of the Father, they are One, but individually seperate.

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    BillyBrown your no longer discussing scripture againts scripture but your own thoughts trying to support your own position. Why was the bible written after Christ ascended through His servants? Same reason the letters where written for the 7 churches of asia, they are the Holy words of God. Are you reading them now? Perhaps God's plan of sustainability involved those churches getting the letters so that His will was done and in that process, you and I and many others would have His scriptures.

    I've offered scripture with scripture, if that can't be rebuked, what say you?

    Regarding the next bit of scripture, The beast hates mankind period and is full of wrath, Not just some beast, he is the beast of his father, Satan. "given all power,throne and great authority of Satan"
    The whole word not written in the book of the Lamb worship the beast, Mystery Babylon is a place of people, a city, where people dwell, who what? worship the beast.
    There is His remnant out of Her however as it is written.

    Do you know who the whore is by His words you just posted regarding the whore?

    Why would that scripture you just post in any way shape or form bring you to the conclusion that the beast had to be present in Johns time?
    The book of Revelation was not written for the first century saints. It was written for all of His saints, The body of Christ. What difference does a first century saint and a saint of this day according to His will have in difference regarding the Kingdom? Nothing. They are both the body of Christ.

    There was certianly a beast back then, many of them, the work of lawlessness was already at hand, there were many antichrist's. However there was not "the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition" "the antichrist that is to come" "the beast of revelation"
    You shouldnt be wondering that, I just posted what He said, there certianly was persecution, work of lawlessness and antichrist's and have been till until now and until the restrant is removed and the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, the antichrist, the beast of revelation is revealed it shall continue and when he is revealed, it shall continue "he is given power over the saints to overcome them"

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir-Olorin View Post
    Nice Semantics distraction, everyone knows how we use the word today. And The Antichrist probably will claim to be a Christian of some sort.
    Not according to Him.
    This is what he will do:

    "Oposses and exalts himself above all that is called God or that is worshipped, so that he sits as God in the temple of God, showing himself that he is God."

    "And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy againts God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship him whose name have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world."

    So he aint going to be pretending hes a christian, but he will be pretending he's God, and the world will believe him, those who are not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Mithrandir-Olorin View Post
    The "Man of Sin" will attempt to untie all religion, he'll claim to belong to them all in some way.
    The man of sin will convince everyone on earth not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb he is God.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    sigh...........
    My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

    "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    It is no problem at all to those of us who understand this so-called 1,000 years is the time we are in NOW--between the cross (when Jesus said, IT IS FINISHED) until he returns the second time as he promised he would do.

    Its the ONLY way that '1,000' years makes sense! Now, when Christ returns, and we are gathered to him, THEN will the wicked be destroyed by the brightness of his coming.

    No holes at all, DivaD. None at all. It all fits like pieces of a beautiful puzzle!
    Because fullfillment has to be achieved in His word, theres no other way. The beast has not been revealed, the trumpets, vials and scrolls have not been completed, if the beast has to be gathered together with the kings of the earth at His second coming before the thousand years can start.
    The thousand years cannot begin until His return. Scripture has to be fullfilled, that is why the restrainer is restraining the man of lawlessness right now.

    Have you been gathered up with Him in the air with the body? has corruption been raised to incorruption? So if were in the thousand years...what are we? forgotten? Is this hell? it is not so, we still seek His second coming, therefore the scriptures are yet to be fullfilled, and shall be. The 1000 years begins at His coming after the beast and false prophet have been cast into the fire,and Satan is bound, not His leaving.

    How can we be in the thousand years if most of scriptures regarding His second coming have not been completed.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    The beast has not been revealed, the trumpets, vials and scrolls have not been completed, if the beast has to be gathered together with the kings of the earth at His second coming before the thousand years can start.
    The thousand years cannot begin until His return.
    Only from a Premill perspective.

    From a non-Premill perspective, His return occurs after not before, the thousand year period.


    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    Have you been gathered up with Him in the air with the body? has corruption been raised to incorruption? So if were in the thousand years...what are we? forgotten? Is this hell? it is not so, we still seek His second coming, therefore the scriptures are yet to be fullfilled, and shall be.

    From a non-Premill perspective, the gathering in the air, the raising of incorruption, the lake of fire, etc...are still yet to occur, because the second coming hasn't occurred yet.




    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post

    The 1000 years begins at His coming after the beast and false prophet have been cast into the fire,and Satan is bound, not His leaving.
    Only from a Premill perspective of interpretation.

    From a non-Premill perspective, Satan is already bound, and all three of them will be cast into the Lake of Fire at Christ's future coming...first the B & FP, afterwards Satan Himself.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post

    How can we be in the thousand years if most of scriptures regarding His second coming have not been completed.
    Because from a non-Premill perspective, the second coming occurs after (at the end) of the thousand year period...not before it as Premill interprets it.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    The 1000 years begins at His coming after the beast and false prophet have been cast into the fire,and Satan is bound, not His leaving.

    How can we be in the thousand years if most of scriptures regarding His second coming have not been completed.
    That's NOT what scripture says.

    revelation 20:
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Clearly...this is AFTER the thousand years ,then he is LOOSED.
    My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

    "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    The man of sin will convince everyone on earth not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb he is God.
    Not all profeseing Christians are in the book of Life. Yeshua said they'd decive "If possible" even the Elect. The implies to me they'll at least attempt to do so.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    Exactly, the beast is not the one referred here as the one that was, is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit into perdition, It is a refrence to who the beast is with Satan and the "that was, is not and shall ascend out of the bottomless pit into perdition is a showing of the reletions the beast and Satan have, Satan is the one who was, is not and will ascend out of the bottomless pit.
    It is the same way of speaking in refrence to Christ and God. They are One outside of being actually individual.
    The beast has all power,throne and great authority that Satan has, however the beast and Satan are not one individual but two seperate exactly the same.
    Christ has all power, throne and authority of the Father, they are One, but individually seperate.
    NO that's not right either, Satan is the ruler of this world currently "Is not" would never apply to him. Satan is not mentioned in Revelation 17 in any capacity.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by David Taylor View Post
    Only from a Premill perspective.

    From a non-Premill perspective, His return occurs after not before, the thousand year period.



    From a non-Premill perspective, the gathering in the air, the raising of incorruption, the lake of fire, etc...are still yet to occur, because the second coming hasn't occurred yet.






    Only from a Premill perspective of interpretation.

    From a non-Premill perspective, Satan is already bound, and all three of them will be cast into the Lake of Fire at Christ's future coming...first the B & FP, afterwards Satan Himself.



    Because from a non-Premill perspective, the second coming occurs after (at the end) of the thousand year period...not before it as Premill interprets it.
    Its not a perspective. Its the His word. I'm not amil, premil post mil or any of those perceptive definitions that are out there, in fact i cant even tell you what the point of all of them are.
    You want to lump me into any of them thats your choice.
    You tell me one man who has caused every tribe, nation and tongue to worship him as God and actually succeed in doing so. Theres none, not during the romans, not during the dark ages and nowhere near our own time in history.
    That man "the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, the antichrist, has to be present at Christ's second coming, the Word has to be fullfilled. Not from any perspective, from TRUTH.

    Are you saying the second coming has come? Were we not warned by Him to keep away from such doctrines?

    How can Satan be bound if hes bound at Christ's second coming?
    If the beast and false prophet are already cast into the fire at Christ's second coming and the 1000 years follows the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and follows the events of all people worshipping the beast and follows the beast overcoming the saints.

    He who has ears let him hear

    "And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and thier armies, gathered together to make war againts Him who sat on the horse and againts His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he decieved those who recieved the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the hourse. And all the birds of the air were filled with thier flesh."

    Do we agree that this event happens at the Lords return?

    Now we should agree that is the return of the Lord, I dont see with what way you could come up with in disagreement, so ill skip the next verse because i believe it is common practice for you to say "but it doesnt directly say Satan is captured following this, its just another verse that can be interpreted to fit anywhere"

    So i'll skip it.

    "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgement was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for thier witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not recieved his mark on their foreheads or on thier hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first ressurection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first ressurection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

    Paul tells us that when Christ returns we shall be transformed from corruption to incorruption, the dead and alive shall meet with Him in the air.
    Revelation further tells us and specifically includes "Those who did not worship the beast or his image or take the mark on thier foreheads or hands" will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years.
    This is the first ressurection in which all the saints, that includes Paul, Peter ext will be raised at His second coming, this includes those who are mentioned above, that were killed during the beast's time.

    Were still in agreement that the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire at Christ's second coming right?
    Do we agree that the ressurection in which Paul also speaks of occurs at Christ's coming according to His word?
    So what is this ressurection that occurs prior to the thousand years, but after Christ's coming? Is it not the same ressurection Paul speaks of?
    They live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, after His second coming, after the beast and false prophet according to His word, No?

    "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to decieve the nations which are in the four corners of the earth"

    If satan is to be released at the end of the thousand years, but the thousand years does not take place until the second coming, and the beast and false prophets casting into the fire, the first ressurection and the saints living and reigning with Christ for a thousand years also occurs at His second coming.........
    But satan isnt released until the thousand years are finished.....so when was he bound?
    The thousand years doesnt start until all of those things (Second coming, beast and false prophet cast into the fire, the first ressurection)
    So if it doesnt start until then, but satan is bound for a thousand years and is released at the end of a thousand years, when is he bound according to the Word? At the start of a thousand years, right? a thousand years has to begin in order for him to be bound for a thousand years and released at the end of a thousand years.
    And if the thousand years doesnt occur until the first ressurection and the first ressurection includes those who did not worship the beast ext and the beast is cast into the fire at Christ's second coming then when does the thousand years start?
    After His second coming, when the saints are ressurected into incorruption to live and reign a thousand years.
    That is when Satan is bound at the beggining of the thousand years.
    He has to be bound for a thousand years and released according to His word.
    The thousand years starts at Christ's coming, the first ressurection when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire, so when does satans thousand years begin? At Christ coming, the first ressurection, when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire.

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by mattlad22 View Post
    Its not a perspective. Its the His word. I'm not amil, premil post mil or any of those perceptive definitions that are out there, in fact i cant even tell you what the point of all of them are.
    You want to lump me into any of them thats your choice.
    You tell me one man who has caused every tribe, nation and tongue to worship him as God and actually succeed in doing so. Theres none, not during the romans, not during the dark ages and nowhere near our own time in history.
    That man "the man of lawlessness, the son of perdition, the antichrist, has to be present at Christ's second coming, the Word has to be fullfilled. Not from any perspective, from TRUTH.

    Are you saying the second coming has come? Were we not warned by Him to keep away from such doctrines?

    How can Satan be bound if hes bound at Christ's second coming?
    If the beast and false prophet are already cast into the fire at Christ's second coming and the 1000 years follows the beast and false prophet being cast into the lake of fire and follows the events of all people worshipping the beast and follows the beast overcoming the saints.

    He who has ears let him hear

    "And I saw the beast, the kings of the earth, and thier armies, gathered together to make war againts Him who sat on the horse and againts His army. Then the beast was captured, and with him the false prophet who worked signs in his presence, by which he decieved those who recieved the mark of the beast and those who worshipped his image. These two were cast into the lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the rest were killed with the sword which proceeded from the mouth of Him who sat on the hourse. And all the birds of the air were filled with thier flesh."

    Do we agree that this event happens at the Lords return?

    Now we should agree that is the return of the Lord, I dont see with what way you could come up with in disagreement, so ill skip the next verse because i believe it is common practice for you to say "but it doesnt directly say Satan is captured following this, its just another verse that can be interpreted to fit anywhere"

    So i'll skip it.

    "And I saw thrones, and they sat on them, and judgement was committed to them. Then I saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for thier witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not recieved his mark on their foreheads or on thier hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first ressurection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first ressurection. Over such the second death has no power, but they shall be priests of God and of Christ, and shall reign with Him a thousand years."

    Paul tells us that when Christ returns we shall be transformed from corruption to incorruption, the dead and alive shall meet with Him in the air.
    Revelation further tells us and specifically includes "Those who did not worship the beast or his image or take the mark on thier foreheads or hands" will live and reign with Christ for a thousand years.
    This is the first ressurection in which all the saints, that includes Paul, Peter ext will be raised at His second coming, this includes those who are mentioned above, that were killed during the beast's time.

    Were still in agreement that the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire at Christ's second coming right?
    Do we agree that the ressurection in which Paul also speaks of occurs at Christ's coming according to His word?
    So what is this ressurection that occurs prior to the thousand years, but after Christ's coming? Is it not the same ressurection Paul speaks of?
    They live and reign with Christ for a thousand years, after His second coming, after the beast and false prophet according to His word, No?

    "Now when the thousand years have expired, Satan will be released from his prison and will go out to decieve the nations which are in the four corners of the earth"

    If satan is to be released at the end of the thousand years, but the thousand years does not take place until the second coming, and the beast and false prophets casting into the fire, the first ressurection and the saints living and reigning with Christ for a thousand years also occurs at His second coming.........
    But satan isnt released until the thousand years are finished.....so when was he bound?
    The thousand years doesnt start until all of those things (Second coming, beast and false prophet cast into the fire, the first ressurection)
    So if it doesnt start until then, but satan is bound for a thousand years and is released at the end of a thousand years, when is he bound according to the Word? At the start of a thousand years, right? a thousand years has to begin in order for him to be bound for a thousand years and released at the end of a thousand years.
    And if the thousand years doesnt occur until the first ressurection and the first ressurection includes those who did not worship the beast ext and the beast is cast into the fire at Christ's second coming then when does the thousand years start?
    After His second coming, when the saints are ressurected into incorruption to live and reign a thousand years.
    That is when Satan is bound at the beggining of the thousand years.
    He has to be bound for a thousand years and released according to His word.
    The thousand years starts at Christ's coming, the first ressurection when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire, so when does satans thousand years begin? At Christ coming, the first ressurection, when the beast and false prophet are cast into the fire
    .
    Mattlad, why do you ignore this?


    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    That's NOT what scripture says.

    Revelation 20:
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Clearly...this is AFTER the thousand years ,then he is LOOSED.
    Please don't ignore this any more. Or skip past it. It says very plainly that satan is LOOSED AFTER the thousand years. But you are saying otherwise.

    How can he be bound and loosed at the same time, at Christ's return?

    Or do you say that Christ comes again the THIRD time, (after a 1,000 year time span) and then looses satan, at his THIRD coming?
    My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

    "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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    Re: Satan’s being cast out of Heaven is a future event, not in the past.

    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    That's NOT what scripture says.

    revelation 20:
    7 And when the thousand years are expired, Satan shall be loosed out of his prison,

    Clearly...this is AFTER the thousand years ,then he is LOOSED.
    Thats exactly what scripture says. Eaxactly what i have been saying, Satan will be loosed at the end of the thousand years and the beginning of the thousand years when He is bound occurs at Christ's second coming, the first ressurection where the saints shall live and reign with Him for a thousand years. So if he is bound at the start of a thousand years and that start is at the second coming, the first ressurection, then how can Satan be bound now? More scripture regarding all of it below.

    "Then I saw souls of those beheaded for their witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and has not recieved his mark on thier foreheads or on thier hands. And they lived and reigned with Chris for a thousand years. But the rest of the dead did not live again until the thousand years were finished. This is the first ressurection. Blessed and holy is he who has part in the first ressurection. Over such the second death has no power"

    "But now Christ is risen from the dead, and has become the firstfruits of those who have fallen asleep. For since by man came death, by Man also came the ressurection of the dead. For as in Adam all die, even so in Christ all shall be made alive. But each one in his own order: Christ the firsfruits, afterward those who are Christ's at His coming, Then comes the end, when He delivers the kingdom to God the Father, when He puts an end to all rule and all authority and power. For He must reign until He has put all enemies under His feet. The last enemy that will be destroyed is death"

    "Now brethren concerning the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ and our gathering together to Him, we ask you, not to be soon shaken in mind or troubled, either by spirit or by word or by letter, as if from us, as though the day of Christ had come. Let no one decieve you by any means: for that Day not come unless the falling away comes first, and the man of sin is revealed, the son of perdition, who opposes and exalts himself above all that is called God, showing himself that he is God"

    "And then the lawless one will be revealed whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming. The coming of the lawless one is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs and lying wonders, and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not recieve the love of the truth, that they might be saved. And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, that they all may be condemed who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness."

    "Now the beast which I saw was like a leopard, his feet were like the feet of a bear, and his mouth like the mouth of a lion. The dragon gave him his power, his throne, and great authority"

    Does this not go in confirmation with the verses above regarding the beast and the man of lawlessness?

    Here, more confirmation of the word in complete truth, the man of lawlessness causes all who perish to be decieved when he arrives with power, signs and lying wonders and all unrighteous deception, after the restrainer is taken out of the way, he also exalts himself above all that called God, showing himself that he is God. What does the beast do?

    "And I saw one of his heads as if it had been mortally wounded, and his deadly wound was healed. And all the world marveled and followed the beast. So they worshipped the beast saying, "Who is like the beast? who is able to make war with him?" And he was given a mouth speaking great things and blasphemies, and he was given authority to continue for forty-two months. Then he opened his mouth in blasphemy againts God, to blaspheme His name, His tabernacle, and those who dwell in heaven. It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. All who dwell on the earth will worship Him. whose names have not been written in the Book of Life of the Lamb slain from the foundation of the world"

    Do the man of lawlessness and the beast confirm each others actions through His word?

    I'd like to bring it back up a little bit to the last bit of His word that was posted and take some of that verse out.

    "It was granted to him to make war with the saints an overcome them"

    "Then i saw the souls of those who had been beheaded for thier witness to Jesus and for the word of God, who had not worshipped the beast or his image, and had not recieved his mark on thier foreheads or their hands. And they lived and reigned with Christ for a thousand years"

    "And he deceives those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the presence of the beast, whose deadly wound was healed. He performs great signs, so that he even makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men. And he decieves those who dwell on the earth by those signs which he was granted to do in the sight of the beast, telling those who dwell on the earth to make an image to the beast who was wounded by the sword and lived. He was granted power to give breath to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak and cause as many as would not worship the image of the beast to be killed. He causes all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and slave, to recieve a mark on thier right hand or on thier foreheads, and no one may buy or sell except one who has the mark or the name of the beast, or the number of his name."

    So His word says that all people will worship the beast, except for the saints, who will be killed by the beast's rule. (which is everyone, because the beast rule's all people of the earth not written in the Book of Life of the Lamb.
    They will think he's God, without doubt, they will be %100 of mind that they worship God. They will kill anyone who does not.

    So again i bring you to the part of the thousand years, if the thousand years starts at the first ressurection and the first ressurection cannot happen until the man of lawlesness is revealed, the beast of Revelation and he is captured and cast into the fire at the Lords second coming, when the first ressurection occurs, where the saints including those who did not worship the beast image or take the marks are ressurected according to His word.
    Which when He returns, he raises according to His word, when the thousand years starts at that ressurection according to His word.
    (Which God witnesses as this is written by His will, that through the Holy Spirit all scripture is from God Almighty sanctified through the Spirit into men He wills as the Lord Jesus Christ promised on pentecost and was written by those men who recieved the promise of the Holy spirit. The word witnesses to the word and confirms it, that no man may but the Spirit of God and His will.)

    The word confirms the word, the thousand years shall not begin until my Lord returns and raises His from corruption to incorruption, when He gathers us together, to live and reign with Him for a thousand years, At His second coming, when the thousand years are finished Satan shall be released for a little, when they surround the camp of the saints and the beloved city, fire will devour them from God out of heaven and Satan shall be cast into the lake of fire where the beast and false prophet are, the second ressurection shall occur and Judgement shall be made, the last being death and hades, cast in to the lake of fire, all enemies shall be destroyed and my Lord shall give my Lord His kingdom, and so shall we be the Father, the Son, the saints in New Jerusalem, on a new earth with new heavens.

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