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    Conversatio Morem

    This is from a blog by brother Keith Giles.





    CONVERSATIO MOREM!



    As I’ve been reading on the early church, I’ve come across a great saying used by the church fathers and I’d like to make it my own.
    The phrase, “Conversatio Morem!” can be translated two different ways, depending on the context. The first way is, “Death To The Status Quo.” I must say, I love this. It embodies the counter-cultural aspect of Christian discipleship that I long to embrace myself, and to inspire in others. I have resolved that if I ever have a tattoo, it will be this statement.
    The second way to translate this is, “Constant Conversion.” I also resonate with this sentiment very much. After studying the writings of Peter, James and Paul I see that their idea of salvation was very much a process. They all speak of “being saved” and seem to understand that following Jesus involves a gradual, daily transformation into someone who is like our Lord, and closer to someone who is fit for Heaven.
    Our modern understanding of salvation seems to be much more about a single day or event in our lives where we went forward, said a prayer and maybe even filled out a little card. After that we can, and often do, live
    out the rest of our lives any way we want. If we get into trouble, or need some advice or a miracle, maybe then we will pray and ask God’s help, but mainly our lives after this sort of “conversion” are our own.
    Paul, Peter and James don’t see salvation in this way. Instead, they seem to regard salvation as an ongoing, lifelong process. All through the book of 1 Peter we see the famous disciple speaking of salvation as something
    which is occurring to us, or that we are in the process of receiving, every day.
    « For you ARE RECEIVING the goal of your faith, the salvation of your souls. » (1 Peter 1:9, emphasis mine). In this passage, and others, Peter doesn’t see salvation as something you take possession of until the day you’re actually at the Judgment Seat of Christ and it is then He saves you, in that day.
    The Apostle Paul especially sees salvation as being tied to our worship and our worship as being tied to our being living sacrifices (see Romans 12). He also is pretty clear that “your life is not your own; You were bought with a price.” (1 Cor 6:19-20) Our hope of salvation is sure, but just like
    The Gospel, it’s about a daily, ongoing submission to Jesus. I’m now trying now to get my head around a daily, “constant conversion”. The Kingdom is about following Jesus, and Jesus said we can’t even begin to
    follow Him unless we daily take up our crosses and die to ourselves. (see Luke 9:23)
    Somehow, looking at my own walk with Jesus as an ongoing conversion helps me to maintain this countercultural mindset in my own life. Now, I understand that « Death to the Status Quo » is really a personal cry for revolution in my own soul. It is my status quo that needs to be put to death.
    Instead of seeing salvation as that day I came forward at the Lighthouse Freewill Baptist Church in Eagle Pass, Texas at the age of 9, I now see it as a daily surrender to Jesus. I walk the aisle every morning. I bend the knee every sunrise and give Him my heart, over, and over again.
    Conversatio Morem!
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    Greetings Episkopos, Thank you for sharing this blog, I couldn't agree more!!

    blessings to you
    My soul does GLORIFY the LORD, my spirit REJOICES in GOD MY SAVIOUR
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    "To be entirely safe from the devils snares the man of God must be completely obedient to the Word of the Lord. The driver on the highway is safe, not when he reads the signs but when he obeys them." A.W.Tozer

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    I wish I had brother Keith Giles's vocabulary and grammar, because he spills my heart and mind's longings all over that blog you shared here.
    One other thing that really renewed me in reading it was when he communicated on Christ instructing us to pick up our cross daily, it made me realize that if we pick up a cross, then we are only headed to one place "to be crucified" meaning...
    "were gonna die".

    Christ desires we die daily folks !
    Everyday that Father allows us, we are to die to our wants and desires (and I say die to our needs also), even before we go to the bathroom after we get out of our bed each day, I should die to my wants, desires and needs first ! ....everyday.
    Then after I die to what my flesh/body thinks I need, then I can find a reason to sanctify my need or desire to go to the bathroom, or my desire to feed my belly, or my desire to rest, and that reason would be: to live as healthy and strong as I can live for another day glorifying my Father in obedience and submission to Him, in hope of pleasing the One who created me and my habitat, glorify Him for one more day if allowed, amen.


    Father blesses.

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    Ah, good stuff. I struggle to die to lust daily. It is difficult since I thought it was ok for so long. It lead me down some dark roads. Actually I struggle to die to all sin daily now that I think about it! Honestly this world is no place for me. I long for a place of civility and caring. I guess the changes I want to see here start with me, eh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDGresham1 View Post
    Ah, good stuff. I struggle to die to lust daily. It is difficult since I thought it was ok for so long. It lead me down some dark roads. Actually I struggle to die to all sin daily now that I think about it! Honestly this world is no place for me. I long for a place of civility and caring. I guess the changes I want to see here start with me, eh?
    It comes down to the fact that we've been conditioned by having spent so much time in the flesh before knowing the Lord. We need time to detox. It helps to have good brothers with whom one can lay down their lives with. Very few will be able to make any headway on their own. In fact, God has designed the body of Christ to protect itself and help it grow.
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    Well, there is a we are being saved, but there is also we have been saved and we shall be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    Well, there is a we are being saved, but there is also we have been saved and we shall be saved.
    That adds up to...salvation is a process!
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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    That adds up to...salvation is a process!
    Hi episkopos!

    From our view point yes, but from God's view point, it is done.

    We know that Satan is completely and utterly defeated.
    From God’s view point (as it is in heaven) it is done, and there is nothing will undo that, but we (on earth) also see him being defeated and we know he will be defeated.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    Hi episkopos!

    From our view point yes, but from God's view point, it is done.

    We know that Satan is completely and utterly defeated.
    From God’s view point (as it is in heaven) it is done, and there is nothing will undo that, but we (on earth) also see him being defeated and we know he will be defeated.
    Paul likened the Christian life to a race. If we finish the race we get something. If we are disqualified we lose everything. Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved. If one isn't there at the finish line, there is nothing...not even an also ran.
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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    Paul likened the Christian life to a race. If we finish the race we get something. If we are disqualified we lose everything. Jesus said we must endure to the end to be saved. If one isn't there at the finish line, there is nothing...not even an also ran.
    1Co 9:18 What then is my reward? That proclaiming the gospel I may make the gospel of Christ free, so as not to use fully my authority in the gospel.
    1Co 9:19 For being free of all, I enslaved myself to all, that I might gain the more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Caleb View Post
    1Co 9:18 What then is my reward? That proclaiming the gospel I may make the gospel of Christ free, so as not to use fully my authority in the gospel.
    1Co 9:19 For being free of all, I enslaved myself to all, that I might gain the more.
    Paul never charged anything to preach the gospel. He served God not Mammon. He sought to win souls for Christ. The gain was for Christ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    It comes down to the fact that we've been conditioned by having spent so much time in the flesh before knowing the Lord. We need time to detox. It helps to have good brothers with whom one can lay down their lives with. Very few will be able to make any headway on their own. In fact, God has designed the body of Christ to protect itself and help it grow.
    Yes, just having this board helps me very much. It keeps my mind on God's will and not the will of my flesh. I hope to get to know many of you. Even if it's just on here, though I am on Facebook

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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    Paul never charged anything to preach the gospel. He served God not Mammon. He sought to win souls for Christ. The gain was for Christ.
    I think Paul was saying that his gain was the gain in spirit and knowledge. He grew wiser and closer to God, which is what we all crave. I would give up my wife, my job, my car, my life, everything I have if God would call me to him right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by episkopos View Post
    Paul never charged anything to preach the gospel. He served God not Mammon. He sought to win souls for Christ. The gain was for Christ.
    Yes, and that was the race he was refering to!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DDGresham1 View Post
    I think Paul was saying that his gain was the gain in spirit and knowledge. He grew wiser and closer to God, which is what we all crave. I would give up my wife, my job, my car, my life, everything I have if God would call me to him right now.
    I wish you were on another thread called "the whole gospel". We could use your input there!

    Blessings
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