Heavy Metal Music

[Reynolds357]

Wait at what point did i ever suggests that AC/DC was good music for Christians? all i said was "yeah i like 'em". i never said "hey my brothers and sisters in Christ check out this great band called AC/DC".

If you think it is OK for yourself as a Christian to listen to them, Why would it not be OK for others?

[Reynolds357]

Given the fact that i am less then a year into my new Christian life i think it's pretty understandable that i am "lukewarm" or what ever you want to call me. I don't feel convicted to change what i listen too but i do feel convicted to change a lot of things i struggle with. i am 27 i am sure by the time i am 40 i won't be listening to that stuff any more.

From what I have observed over the years is that you should be on fire for God less than a year from salvation. Luke Warm usually comes long into your relationship with Christ. Most Christians start out on fire and kind of go downhill from there. If you stay too close to the world early in your walk with Christ, Satan will drag you back. I am a long way from hitting 40. I am not a whole lot older than you.

[Reynolds357]

Can anyone in this thread honestly say that at the exact moment they were 'saved,' they realized every 'issue' in their life and fixed it? It's 'spiritual growth' for a reason, and we all grow at different paces. I would question why 'the sound' thinks he won't be listening to AC/DC when he's 40, either he's saying this for some strange reason, 'just because,' or he sincerely feels that at 40 he won't be listening to AC/DC, which makes me wonder why he's listening to them at all (right now). In any case, there's been some 'good guidance' in general... But to me it reads like a 'you need to change everything this very instant!' sort of tone.

No, I did not fix everything instantly. What I did was surround myself with Godly people I truested and let them disciple me and I followed their advice.

[Reynolds357]

The reason I'm pointing out how over MANY years, step by step, conviction by conviction God will mold us.

Believe me, 10 years ago... "I'm on the highway to hell"... YEAH, play it again and LOUDER!!!!!! Come Sunday... "How great thou art..." Come Monday... "I'm on the highway to hell..."! Come Sunday... "Amazing grace, how sweet the sound, that saved a wretch like me..."! Come Monday... "I'm on the highway to hell...!

I bet there are some who'll be singing, "Im on the highway to hell" as they travel TO Sunday service :rolleyes"

For me as I was "finally" convicted... is an example of being double-minded and being in this state is not good for the relationship that God is trying to have with them.

Satan definitely uses that double minded nature to create instability and draw that person back toward him.

[Reynolds357]

That's great! And to be clear, I'm not advocating the songs... Just the idea that spiritual growth is progressive.

If you were discipling a young Christian and that young Christian were shacked up with his girlfriend, Would you instruct him that his behavior was wrong and was hurting his Christian walk, or would you just ignore it? Lets assume he asked you about it, would you tell him it is wrong, or would you just tell him "talk to The Spirit about it?"

[Slug1]

If you think it is OK for yourself as a Christian to listen to them, Why would it not be OK for others?

Thesound... this question is raised in the light of what I posted to you about "talking" the talk and "walking" the walk.

It's a lesson that ALL Christians must go through for God to use them effectively to glorify Himself through them.

You see, if God has glorified Himself through any given Christian and then that Christian is rocking out and singing... "I'm on the highway to hell" and this is witnessed by others, satan swoops in and STEALS the testimony that this Christian has and turns it against them.

This is why we, as Christian... go through a process of maturing. So that when God uses us and He is glorified we don't do something in the flesh in the next heartbeat to allow satan to steal it away. This is WHY satan will always try to tempt Christians to remain double-minded... so he can always have that authority to "steal" from them freely.

[Athanasius]

No, I did not fix everything instantly. What I did was surround myself with Godly people I truested and let them disciple me and I followed their advice.

Which is fine for issues that are straightforward.

If you were discipling a young Christian and that young Christian were shacked up with his girlfriend, Would you instruct him that his behavior was wrong and was hurting his Christian walk, or would you just ignore it? Lets assume he asked you about it, would you tell him it is wrong, or would you just tell him "talk to The Spirit about it?"

That's a straightforward issue and quite clearly condemned in Scripture. The issue of music isn't. I have no problem with most 'secular music,' wheres when my sister-in-law is around, the only thing on is Christian this-or-that. If I were asked I would give him my opinion: I find the lyrics troublesome; he has to think about his witness; he should pray about it, etc.

If you think it is OK for yourself as a Christian to listen to them, Why would it not be OK for others?

The issue of drinking comes to mind.

[Reynolds357]

Which is fine for issues that are straightforward.



That's a straightforward issue and quite clearly condemned in Scripture. The issue of music isn't. I have no problem with most 'secular music,' wheres when my sister-in-law is around, the only thing on is Christian this-or-that. If I were asked I would give him my opinion: I find the lyrics troublesome; he has to think about his witness; he should pray about it, etc.



The issue of drinking comes to mind.

Music glorifying Satan is pretty "straightforward."
If that is not straightforward, It is pretty hard to say anything is straightforward.

Alcohol is a much more complex subject than a song with the following lyrics:
"Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
Aint nothing I'd rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too, yeah

Im on the highway to hell
on the highway to hell
highway to hell
im on the highway to hell
No stop signs, speed limit
Nobodys gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobodys gonna mess me round
Hey satan, payed my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey momma, look at me
Im on my way to the promised land
OWWW

Im on the highway to hell "

If you can come up with any justfication in scripture that says a Christian should listen to or sing the above song, I will Gladly discuss it with you.


Alcohol in moderation is beneficial and not scripturally prohibited. Drunkeness is prohibited.
In moderation or excess, listening to or singing the above song is not somehthing a Christian should be doing.

The alcohol debate would be very similiar to the secular music vs. Christian music only debate. Both sides can make good points. This song, does not fall under "secular" music. This song glorifies Satan and directly disputes Biblical truth with its lyrics. The song is blasphemous against the Father. That song is evil. It has about as much place in a Christian's life as sitting inside a pentagram and drinking blood should have in their lives.

[Athanasius]

Music glorifying Satan is pretty "straightforward."
If that is not straightforward, It is pretty hard to say anything is straightforward.

Alcohol is a much more complex subject than a song with the following lyrics:
"Living easy, living free
Season ticket on a one-way ride
Asking nothing, leave me be
Taking everything in my stride
Dont need reason, dont need rhyme
Aint nothing I'd rather do
Going down, party time
My friends are gonna be there too, yeah

Im on the highway to hell
on the highway to hell
highway to hell
im on the highway to hell
No stop signs, speed limit
Nobodys gonna slow me down
Like a wheel, gonna spin it
Nobodys gonna mess me round
Hey satan, payed my dues
Playing in a rocking band
Hey momma, look at me
Im on my way to the promised land
OWWW

Im on the highway to hell "

If you can come up with any justfication in scripture that says a Christian should listen to or sing the above song, I will Gladly discuss it with you.

I've already said I find these songs suspect and unsuitable.

Alcohol in moderation is beneficial and not scripturally prohibited. Drunkeness is prohibited.

Tell that to the many who are vehemently against drinking at all - they'll take issue (and that's my point).

In moderation or excess, listening to or singing the above song is not somehthing a Christian should be doing.

I don't disagree.

[the sound]

If you think it is OK for yourself as a Christian to listen to them, Why would it not be OK for others?

Well it goes back to that old "if your friends jump off a bridge you going to do it too" thing... Just because I make stupid choices in my musical taste doesn't mean you have to as well...

The conversation was on AC/DC I made a statement about them, that's all it was.... next time I will know better. in fact I probably shouldn't even post at all... it seems like I stick my foot in my mouth more often than not... at some point I really need to ask myself what's the point? What contribution do I even really make here?

[the sound]

From what I have observed over the years is that you should be on fire for God less than a year from salvation. Luke Warm usually comes long into your relationship with Christ. Most Christians start out on fire and kind of go downhill from there. If you stay too close to the world early in your walk with Christ, Satan will drag you back. I am a long way from hitting 40. I am not a whole lot older than you.

I would love to be on fire for God... but i am not. Yes i do know this is a problem but it's not a conversation for open board or one for you and I to have at all.

[the sound]

There is more to lukewarm than what you just said. I've read your other threads concerning your desire to seek God... you are not lukewarm.
Do you yourself, want to be nourished as you are FED or do you just want to be filled up with good feelings?

if i am not lukewarm then what am i?

Why can't i have both?
I'd like to have good feelings.

[Slug1]

if i am not lukewarm then what am i?

Why can't i have both?
I'd like to have good feelings.

I do to dude and now I understand how... it's this simple... be obedient to God no matter what. When I'm not I don't feel good. When I am, I feel GOOD and it don't matter if the very world I live in is falling apart all around me. As long as I am being obedient to God... all is good!

[Reynolds357]

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if i am not lukewarm then what am i?

Why can't i have both?
I'd like to have good feelings.

Unfortunately, Christianity is not a bed of roses. If we are doing it right, we will be persecuted for our beliefs. Trying to keep one foot in the World and one foot in the Church will lead you to a life of misery.
If You are doing Christianity right, you have joy, but you do not neccessarily have a bunch of good feelings. You will be persecuted.

[gringo300]

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Unfortunately, Christianity is not a bed of roses. If we are doing it right, we will be persecuted for our beliefs. Trying to keep one foot in the World and one foot in the Church will lead you to a life of misery.
If You are doing Christianity right, you have joy, but you do not neccessarily have a bunch of good feelings. You will be persecuted.

I have concluded that a basic element of Christianity is that it goes against SOMETHING. It is NOT universally accepting of EVERYTHING.

If someone professes to be a Christian and they aren't going against SOMETHING, something's wrong.