Whose doctrine is correct?

[RollTide21]

How would this be determined then? That way, those who are doing work in the name of God but the work is not OF God, that they can be helped NOW before they hear those words from Jesus' mouth as we read in Matthew 7?

We know because of:

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Are we called to HELP the False Prophets? All I see is that we are to be warned about them. These verses don't strike me as verses indicating confused Believers. "...inwardly they are ferocious wolves" indicate that these are of the Enemy.

[Slug1]

We know because of:

15 “Watch out for false prophets. They come to you in sheep’s clothing, but inwardly they are ferocious wolves.
16 By their fruit you will recognize them. Do people pick grapes from thornbushes, or figs from thistles?
17 Likewise, every good tree bears good fruit, but a bad tree bears bad fruit.
18 A good tree cannot bear bad fruit, and a bad tree cannot bear good fruit.
19 Every tree that does not bear good fruit is cut down and thrown into the fire.
20 Thus, by their fruit you will recognize them.

Are we called to HELP the False Prophets? All I see is that we are to be warned about them. These verses don't strike me as verses indicating confused Believers. "...inwardly they are ferocious wolves" indicate that these are of the Enemy.

Hooah... so it's about PREVENTING the possible destruction of "others" who are listening to these prophets pushing false doctrines. That way, the bondage of those false doctrines that are pushed by these prophets are not capable of afflicting more people into the bondage of any false doctrine they push.

If a false prophet is determined... do we ALLOW them to freely push the false doctrine they follow? I feel that if we do... what kind of Watchman are we in the Body of Christ if we don't WARN of the false doctrine.

Are we to stop the prophet pushing a false doctrine that they follow, or just warn others against it? At a minimum, I'd say at least sound the warning since that is the minimum God requires.

Seems that if we cut off the source of the false doctrine, THAT wolf... it would be easier than damage control if they (false prophets) are given freedom to push the false doctrine they follow, onto others.

This is what I mean by afflicting bondage upon those who listen and decide to follow a doctrine instead of following Jesus who they began the relationship with God through, but didn't finish due to being LURED by the doctrine and being bound by it:

2 Peter 2:18 For when they speak great swelling words of emptiness, they allure through the lusts of the flesh, through lewdness, the ones who have actually escaped[d] from those who live in error. 19 While they promise them liberty, they themselves are slaves of corruption; for by whom a person is overcome, by him also he is brought into bondage. 20 For if, after they have escaped the pollutions of the world through the knowledge of the Lord and Savior Jesus Christ, they are again entangled in them and overcome, the latter end is worse for them than the beginning. 21 For it would have been better for them not to have known the way of righteousness, than having known it, to turn from the holy commandment delivered to them.

Some will turn from righteous Jesus and His truth and His ways and instead begin to follow a false righteousness of a doctrine and it's truth and it's ways as they are brought into bondage by it (entangled and overcome). Where these doctrine's lead, is to hell... all IN God's name but the truth is... was never, OF God.

[RollTide21]

Hooah... so it's about PREVENTING the possible destruction of "others" who are listening to these prophets pushing false doctrines. That way, the bondage of those false doctrines that are pushed by these prophets are not capable of afflicting more people into the bondage of any false doctrine they push.

If a false prophet is determined... do we ALLOW them to freely push the false doctrine they follow? I feel that if we do... what kind of Watchman are we in the Body of Christ if we don't WARN of the false doctrine.

Are we to stop the prophet pushing a false doctrine that they follow, or just warn others against it? At a minimum, I'd say at least sound the warning since that is the minimum God requires.

Seems that if we cut off the source of the false doctrine, THAT wolf... it would be easier than damage control if they (false prophets) are given freedom to push the false doctrine they follow, onto others.

We have to tread lightly here, though, I think. Incorrect doctrine among Believers shouldn't be categorized with the False Prophets mentioned in the NT who deny Jesus as the Christ. These verses don't specifically say that, but their categorization as "wolves" on the inside clearly place them outside of the Fellowship of Believers in Christ.

[Slug1]

We have to tread lightly here, though, I think. Incorrect doctrine among Believers shouldn't be categorized with the False Prophets mentioned in the NT who deny Jesus as the Christ. These verses don't specifically say that, but their categorization as "wolves" on the inside clearly place them outside of the Fellowship of Believers in Christ.

I made an edit.

[RollTide21]

I made an edit.

I see. Still, those verses indicate a doctrine outside the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

[Slug1]

I see. Still, those verses indicate a doctrine outside the Gospel of Jesus Christ.

Hooah, ANYTHING outside the Gospel of Jesus Christ can fall under these verses.

I guess the line between "incorrect" vs. "false" is a major factor. Toss in there a lack of understanding, a lack of experience or difference in experience, a lack of maturity... we have this discussion then

[keck553]

why not?

Because I believe mainstream Christiantiy is in the Word of God and within God's will.

take baptism

we have some who sprinkle water
we have some who submerge in water
we have some who don't baptize at all

each of us have access to God's Word and His Spirit and therefore a responsibility to listen to Him so we can correctly read and divide the word of God. We're not going to have the opportunity to point our finger at our local congregation and blame them for our failures.
God is a God of personal responsibility when it comes to these matters (IMHO).

who do you know that teaching from the talmud teach Jesus and are christians?

Quite a few Christians who get wound up in Messianic Judaism teach from the Talmud as doctrine.

[keck553]

Hooah, ANYTHING outside the Gospel of Jesus Christ can fall under these verses.

You may consider the Sunday morning ritual then because it is nowhere taught or practiced in the Bible. That doesn't make comgregating on Sunday mornings false doctrine or false prophecy (to the ire of many I know).

[Slug1]

You may consider the Sunday morning ritual then because it is nowhere taught or practiced in the Bible.

Just as we wash the feet of those who enter our home?

Wait... that was done!

[keck553]

Just as we wash the feet of those who enter our home?

Wait... that was done!

hmm.....Jesus said if we won't allow Him to wash our feet, He will have nothing to do with us. Amazing.

[Slug1]

hmm.....Jesus said if we won't allow Him to wash our feet, He will have nothing to do with us. Amazing.

It doesn't surprise me when only the children in church come forward for foot washing. Only a few adults

[keck553]

It doesn't surprise me when only the children in church come forward for foot washing. Only a few adults

Probably a liability issue these days.

[shepherdsword]

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God...

[ozell]

Because some people are Christians in appearance and even deed, but have not received Christ in Spirit.

what is Christ in the spirit? how do we know we have it? These people did not know they did not have it until the last day of Judgement. This is future so these people had to wait to the last day to find out they lacked Jesus spirit?

it seems to me these people were decieved.

Matthew 7

21Not every one that saith unto me, Lord, Lord, shall enter into the kingdom of heaven; but he that doeth the will of my Father which is in heaven.

22Many will say to me in that day, Lord, Lord, have we not prophesied in thy name? and in thy name have cast out devils? and in thy name done many wonderful works?

23And then will I profess unto them, I never knew you: depart from me, ye that work iniquity.

[ozell]

John 7:17 If any man will do his will, he shall know of the doctrine, whether it be of God...

i agree, but you have opened up more questions than answers

what is the will of God and do the big 3 great houses of worship teach it?