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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    This statement simply is not true. Sorry. Go back to the Pentateuch and highlight everywhere "foreigner" appears then re-read it.
    Gentiles and Jews cannot be one.

    Deuteronomy 7:1-6
    1 When the LORD thy God shall bring thee into the land whither thou goest to possess it, and hath cast out many nations before thee, the Hittites, and the Girga****es, and the Amorites, and the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, and the Hivites, and the Jebusites, seven nations greater and mightier than thou;

    2 And when the LORD thy God shall deliver them before thee; thou shalt smite them, and utterly destroy them; thou shalt make no covenant with them, nor show mercy unto them:

    3 Neither shalt thou make marriages with them; thy daughter thou shalt not give unto his son, nor his daughter shalt thou take unto thy son.

    4 For they will turn away thy son from following me, that they may serve other gods: so will the anger of the LORD be kindled against you, and destroy thee suddenly.

    5 But thus shall ye deal with them; ye shall destroy their altars, and break down their images, and cut down their groves, and burn their graven images with fire.

    6 For thou art an holy people unto the LORD thy God: the LORD thy God hath chosen thee to be a special people unto himself, above all people that are upon the face of the earth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Gentiles and Jews cannot be one.

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    What's Ruth doing in David's geneology then? Heck, forget David, she's in Jesus geneology.

    Tell me again about Gentiles?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    What's Ruth doing in David's geneology then? Heck, forget David, she's in Jesus geneology.

    Tell me again about Gentiles?
    OK!

    Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

    Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

    Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

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    According to the following scripture, the stautes/ordinances/commandments have been nailed to the cross.

    Col 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross;

    Eph 2:15 Having abolished in his flesh the enmity, even the law of commandments contained in ordinances; for to make in himself of twain one new man, so making peace;

    Where does that leave the judgments?

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    In Christ, there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek/Gentile (Romans Chapters 10-12).


    (Rom 10:11 KJV) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    In Christ, there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek/Gentile (Romans Chapters 10-12).


    (Rom 10:11 KJV) For the scripture saith, Whosoever believeth on him shall not be ashamed. (12) For there is no difference between the Jew and the Greek: for the same Lord over all is rich unto all that call upon him. (13) For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved.
    Thank you Chad,

    So with the commandments, statures and judgments there is a difference between Jew and Gentile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    OK!

    Acts 10:28 And he said unto them, Ye know how that it is an unlawful thing for a man that is a Jew to keep company, or come unto one of another nation; but God hath shewed me that I should not call any man common or unclean.

    Acts 11:2 And when Peter was come up to Jerusalem, they that were of the circumcision contended with him,

    Gal 2:12 For before that certain came from James, he did eat with the Gentiles: but when they were come, he withdrew and separated himself, fearing them which were of the circumcision.

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    God didn't made those rules. Surely you can discern between God's law and men's religious ordinances, can't you?

    God did say something about Moabites though. Read Deuteronomy 23. By the way, do you know where Moabites came from? Now, why do you think God blessed Ruth, the Moabite?

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    In the early church, there was a difference of opinion, regarding Circumcision, The Law, Food sacrificed to idols, Eating of certain foods etc... Paul addresses these in his writings, being an apostle to the gentiles.


    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Thank you Chad,

    So with the commandments, statures and judgments there is a difference between Jew and Gentile?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    God didn't made those rules. Surely you can discern between God's law and men's religious ordinances, can't you?

    God did say something about Moabites though. Read Deuteronomy 23. By the way, do you know where Moabites came from? Now, why do you think God blessed Ruth, the Moabite?
    So was there was nothing that would prevent the adoption of sons?

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chad View Post
    In the early church, there was a difference of opinion, regarding Circumcision, The Law, Food sacrificed to idols, Eating of certain foods etc... Paul addresses these in his writings, being an apostle to the gentiles.
    If Jews are required to observe those things, is that separation/difference still there?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    So was there was nothing that would prevent the adoption of sons?

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

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    There are too many Gentiles in pre-Jesus times who became part of Israel to say otherwise. Of course they all came under the Sinai covenant when they joined Israel. Ruth included. Maybe you're thinking of another kind of adoption?

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    There are too many Gentiles in pre-Jesus times who became part of Israel to say otherwise. Of course they all came under the Sinai covenant when they joined Israel. Ruth included. Maybe you're thinking of another kind of adoption?
    Why do you believe that God sent Jesus to free those under the law that we might be adopted into the family of God.

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    What is written in the law that would prevent the adoption of sons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Firstfruits View Post
    Why do you believe that God sent Jesus to free those under the law that we might be adopted into the family of God.

    Gal 4:5 To redeem them that were under the law, that we might receive the adoption of sons.

    What is written in the law that would prevent the adoption of sons?

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    You said 'free' the verse you cited says "redeem." Fix it and ask again please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by keck553 View Post
    You said 'free' the verse you cited says "redeem." Fix it and ask again please.
    May I ask what is the difference between redeem and free?

    Why do you believe that God sent Jesus to redeem those under the law that we might be adopted into the family of God.

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    The whole world is responsible to keep God's commandments, statutes and judgments. That is why the whole world outside of Christ is doomed.

    Today in God's eyes neither Jew nor Gentile is acceptable to Him, only the true Israel.

    There is much misunderstanding of what is the true Israel. What men call Israel today is unbelieving Israel, rejected because of their rejection of the Messiah. The true Israel was composed of those who responded to the Messiah, God's believing remnant, that fairly large proportion who responded to Jesus Christ.

    Israel had always accepted proselytes, and God showed the new true Israel that they too had to accept proselytes. And thus ex-Gentiles became one with them in the true Israel. This Israel is composed of all who truly believe in the Messiah (Galatians 3.29; 6.16; Ephesians 2.11-22; Romans 11.16-24; 1 Peter 2.9; James 1.1). It is founded on Jesus Christ and His true Apostles. They have not replaced Israel, they ARE Israel, branches of the true Vine (John 15.1-6).

    It is an error to think of all Jews as direct descendants of Jacob. From the beginning 'Israel' contained a conglomeration of people. There were the descendants of the hundreds of servants in the patriarchal households (see Genesis 14.14), who went into Egypt with Jacob ('and their households'). There were the mixed multuitude (Exodus 12.38) who became part of Israel through the covenant at Sinai and circumcision once they had entered the land. There were multiples of proselytes like Uriah the Hittite who took advantage of Exodus 12.48. There were the Edomites who became Jews at the point of the sword under John Hyrcanus. There were the Gentiles living in Galilee who were similarly forced to become Jews at the point of the sword by Aristobulus. All saw themselves eventually as 'the children of Israel.

    Large numbers of what was once Israel were excluded from Israel. Thus the idolatrous Jews left in the land were not allowed to join the new Israel being established in Ezra/Nehemiah.

    So Israel was a fluid concept, excluding members who gravely defaulted, and accepting all who would truly worship God.

    At the time of Jesus a similar situation arose as at the Exile. Which Jews were to be seen as part of the true Israel? And again it was settled on the basis of belief. The true Israel was composed of those who accepted the Messiah.

    And when Gentile proselytes joined with them they also became members of the true Israel.

    That was why there was controversy about circumcision. A proselyte had to be circumcised. Paul's reply was that circumcision (a blood offering) has been made redundant and replaced by the death of Christ. He said that all who came to Christ were circumcised. They were circumcised with the circumcision of Christ. Thus they were true proselytes and true Israelites. Today Israel in God's eyes is found wherever men and women truly believe in the Messiah.

    Those who are in rejection of the Messiah are not true Israel. They can only become so by responding to the Messiah.

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