Our World Is Getting Sicker

[Vhayes]

How 'bout you "sheath your condescension" little man?

Your SIG says NOTHING about you specifically.

And I DID answer your question - you chose to ignore that post. Can we talk about Freudian slips here?

[mattlad22]

Well we went from edification to i dont know what, good job guys, think He's proud, seriously?

Can you both not make your points without punching each other in the face?

Sheperds right, If you wan to debate this, why dont you use scriptures to debate and edify instead of your own opinions, Scripture speaks for Itself.

Scripture as has been posted clearly shows things will get worse and worse as time goes on, no?

Now i dont want to hear either of you say, mind your own bussiness or anything like that, we are the body of Christ, He is the Head, show it. One of you step up and be the "bigger saint" and humble yourselves.

[shepherdsword]

How 'bout you "sheath your condescension" little man?

Uhhh, I have been called many things but "little' is not one of them
I'm built like a line backer
In any case I wasn't trying to be condescending. Maybe the "bliss ninny" comment was uncalled for. But I can take whatever I dish out!
Without getting offended. However,I can see that is not the case with everyone so...I withdraw the comment,satisfied?

Your SIG says NOTHING about you specifically.

I think it does. I think it reflects my whole mindset regarding my paradigms and false preconceptions. I must awaken to the fact I have them. I cannot disown something until I own it. Some can see wisdom in such a position,some can't.

And I DID answer your question - you chose to ignore that post. Can we talk about Freudian slips here?

Then please point your answer out,like you said I must have made a Freudian slip into your sarCHASM!

But if you are really getting offended then it's time to stop. I can see that the discussion is going to prove to be unfruitful. You think I'm a bible thumping chauvinist and I think you are failing to consider the scriptures when formulating your opinion.

little macho pig man OUT!

[Vhayes]

Uhhh, I have been called many things but "little' is not one of them
I'm built like a line backer
In any case I wasn't trying to be condescending. Maybe the "bliss ninny" comment was uncalled for. But I can take whatever I dish out!
Without getting offended. However,I can see that is not the case with everyone so...I withdraw the comment,satisfied?



I think it does. I think it reflects my whole mindset regarding my paradigms and false preconceptions. I must awaken to the fact I have them. I cannot disown something until I own it. Some can see wisdom in such a position,some can't.



Then please point your answer out,like you said I must have made a Freudian slip into your sarCHASM!

But if you are really getting offended then it's time to stop. I can see that the discussion is going to prove to be unfruitful. You think I'm a bible thumping chauvinist and I think you are failing to consider the scriptures when formulating your opinion.

little macho pig man OUT!

I am in no way offended. How would it be possible for you to offend me?

I think what happens a whole lot, especially in this medium, we "assume" we know what the other person is saying and then go off and extrapolate even more.

I answered the "is the world getting worse" question in the post right before the one you decided to respond to. You didn't touch that one - you went for the one that "offended" you.

There are many lessons to be learned from the discussion - people seem to only be open to what suits them.

Thank you for withdrawing the statement. It was condescending and rude. It had nothing to do with you being or not being a misogynist.

You (and others) were very, very quick to pick up on MY "tone" but failed to see/hear the attitude you were displaying. As I said, it is a weakness of this medium. We just all need to be aware of it and not allow it to happen. The one who pinches first is usually the one the teacher sees getting his lights punched out by the pinchee.

[mattlad22]

I am in no way offended. How would it be possible for you to offend me?

I think what happens a whole lot, especially in this medium, we "assume" we know what the other person is saying and then go off and extrapolate even more.

I answered the "is the world getting worse" question in the post right before the one you decided to respond to. You didn't touch that one - you went for the one that "offended" you.

There are many lessons to be learned from the discussion - people seem to only be open to what suits them.

Thank you for withdrawing the statement. It was condescending and rude. It had nothing to do with you being or not being a misogynist.

You (and others) were very, very quick to pick up on MY "tone" but failed to see/hear the attitude you were displaying. As I said, it is a weakness of this medium. We just all need to be aware of it and not allow it to happen. The one who pinches first is usually the one the teacher sees getting his lights punched out by the pinchee.

Really, i actually had nothing to do with the coversation except to bring up that it could be done in a much better way for edification, saddening that you would respond this way.
Could have just agree'd you were both out of line and seeked peace, love and joy in the Holy Spirit. No?

Whether your being sarcastic or not, obviously someone, me, didnt appreciate the way either of you were reacting towards one another post, wouldnt it not be righteous for both of you to drop what your doing and serve the brethren who brings this up between you?

[Vhayes]

Really, i actually had nothing to do with the coversation except to bring up that it could be done in a much better way for edification, saddening that you would respond this way.
Could have just agree'd you were both out of line and seeked peace, love and joy in the Holy Spirit. No?

Of course. Shepherd is right and nothing I have to say is ever edifying.

What a place this has turned into...

[mattlad22]

Of course. Shepherd is right and nothing I have to say is ever edifying.

What a place this has turned into...

No thats actually not what i said at all, what i said was using scripture is right, which is exactly what shepard said both of you guys should do, not use either of your opinions outside of scripture, and that is what i was agreeing on, I know your hurt V, youve been for awhile and I know why, but you cant assume because of those things everyone is out to get ya sort of speak.
Thats not what i meant at all, know that.
If you guys use scriptural evidence in what your speaking about there will be not reason to snippet at each other, right? How can there be evil in love? the Word is love in rigteousness, it is Righteousness.

[shepherdsword]

I am in no way offended. How would it be possible for you to offend me?

I think what happens a whole lot, especially in this medium, we "assume" we know what the other person is saying and then go off and extrapolate even more.

I answered the "is the world getting worse" question in the post right before the one you decided to respond to. You didn't touch that one - you went for the one that "offended" you.

There are many lessons to be learned from the discussion - people seem to only be open to what suits them.

Thank you for withdrawing the statement. It was condescending and rude. It had nothing to do with you being or not being a misogynist.

You (and others) were very, very quick to pick up on MY "tone" but failed to see/hear the attitude you were displaying. As I said, it is a weakness of this medium. We just all need to be aware of it and not allow it to happen. The one who pinches first is usually the one the teacher sees getting his lights punched out by the pinchee.

I think the real issue to consider is what the scripture states about issues like this. The bible doesn't teach that the world will get better. In fact it teaches just the opposite. Are some things better? Yes. I will even touch on a few you guys/gals have missed. There was a time when if your skin was black you were considered merchandise. Even after that was no longer the case you were still viewed as something less than a white man if you had black skin. There was a time when women weren't even allowed to vote. There was a time when children could be used for manual labor.We used to live in fear of nuclear oblivion. Things have changed. We have a black president and even had a woman run on a Presidential ticket as VP. There are now child labor laws. The Soviet Union has been dissolved and we kids no longer grown up learning how to "run,duck and cover" as I did as a child. However,these are some of the many exceptions. We are clearly told in scripture:

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

[Vhayes]

I think the real issue to consider is what the scripture states about issues like this. The bible doesn't teach that the world will get better. In fact it teaches just the opposite. Are some things better? Yes. I will even touch on a few you guys/gals have missed. There was a time when if your skin was black you were considered merchandise. Even after that was no longer the case you were still viewed as something less than a white man if you had black skin. There was a time when women weren't even allowed to vote. There was a time when children could be used for manual labor.We used to live in fear of nuclear oblivion. Things have changed. We have a black president and even had a woman run on a Presidential ticket as VP. There are now child labor laws. The Soviet Union has been dissolved and we kids no longer grown up learning how to "run,duck and cover" as I did as a child. However,these are some of the many exceptions. We are clearly told in scripture:

1Th 5:3 For when they shall say, Peace and safety; then sudden destruction cometh upon them, as travail upon a woman with child; and they shall not escape.

How about if I repost post #28. As I said, I think I addressed exactly that.

W

e no longer lives (for the most part) under leadership that inherited the empire from his father - and then sets about torching everything because he's a lunatic.

We have medicines that heal illnesses that would have killed people less than a century or two ago.

We no longer have a Torquemada to make people "confess" Jesus as Lord.

We can now read and learn as much or as little as we want.

The flip side to the whole thing? Instead of saying, "God will provide and care for me." we now say, "government/medicine/education will care for me."

People forget that God gave us the governments that we have and we should be thankful to HIM for them. He have us the scientific knowledge that allows for treatments to heal people and we should be grateful to HIM for that knowledge.

Is the world getting worse? Not at all. Is mankind becoming more "self-reliant" and pompous - yep. And it's people and their hearts that matter to God.

Man will think he has peace and safety because of all the progress he has made, all the safety nets he has built in. And guess what? In the end, the safety nets will mean absolutely nothing. It's the "world" depending on the "world" instead of depending on God.

[Vhayes]

No thats actually not what i said at all, what i said was using scripture is right, which is exactly what shepard said both of you guys should do, not use either of your opinions outside of scripture, and that is what i was agreeing on, I know your hurt V, youve been for awhile and I know why, but you cant assume because of those things everyone is out to get ya sort of speak.
Thats not what i meant at all, know that.
If you guys use scriptural evidence in what your speaking about there will be not reason to snippet at each other, right? How can there be evil in love? the Word is love in rigteousness, it is Righteousness.

You know nothing of the sort - and if you think you do, I'd like to hear "why". I am befuddled but not angry and not hurt.

In case you haven't picked up on it, I have been using the same tone and the same level of condescension to reply t people that I see displayed in THEIR posts to others. No - it isn't the Golden Rule - but it certainly shows the blinders people wear.

[mattlad22]

You know nothing of the sort - and if you think you do, I'd like to hear "why". I am befuddled but not angry and not hurt.

In case you haven't picked up on it, I have been using the same tone and the same level of condescension to reply t people that I see displayed in THEIR posts to others. No - it isn't the Golden Rule - but it certainly shows the blinders people wear.

Maybe hurt wasnt the proper word, frustrated would have been better, my apologies.
So when you said this to me, you didnt mean it?:

"Of course. Shepherd is right and nothing I have to say is ever edifying.

What a place this has turned into..."

[shepherdsword]

You know nothing of the sort - and if you think you do, I'd like to hear "why". I am befuddled but not angry and not hurt.

In case you haven't picked up on it, I have been using the same tone and the same level of condescension to reply t people that I see displayed in THEIR posts to others. No - it isn't the Golden Rule - but it certainly shows the blinders people wear.

I am going to say something here. I wasn't offended and I wasn't trying to offend. I think my position is backed by scripture and I haven't seen any proof that countermands that position. However,I will say this Vhayes, You excused me of focusing on the one post that "offended" me but that's what you did. You went off on some sexist tirade about how "men" are responsible for all of this. You then insulted me personally twice in one post and didn't withdraw it. Even after I withdrew my GENERAL insult. Sister,you are the one with blinders on. Now I am not expecting you to withdraw your insults because to me they were without merit,However,when I see you don't even have a heart to do so. Then you accuse everyone else of wearing blinders? I can only advise you to check your heart.
Something is not right. This issue of "evil in the world"is of little consequence because God is in control. However,we are still in control of our own hearts. We can choose to humble them before God or exalt them above him.
As you said in post 28...the heart is the real issue. I advise you to check yours. Don't worry,I am heeding my own advice and checking mine as well.

[Vhayes]

girly girl wasn't meant to be demeaning in anyway?

And when I said "man" I should perhaps have said "mankind" or human kind.

[shepherdsword]

girly girl wasn't meant to be demeaning in anyway?

And when I said "man" I should perhaps have said "mankind" or human kind.

girly girl was meant more as a term of affection than anything else.I was trying to disarm the conflict. If I thought it would be taken in any other way I would never have used it. I guess I have been listening to my niece and her friends to much. They use it on each other all the time with the best of intentions.

And not to derail the thread but my niece got saved last Sunday!

[Crosstalk]

Here's one of the reasons our little part of the world is getting sicker.....

http://www.worldviewweekend.com/worl...p?videoid=2032