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    haloo evry one
    thise is my question
    tell me pls what s cristianity realtion to islam ???
    i m arabian and when i speak to muslims
    thy tell me that joudisme and cristianty are religions of god that came before the last one mohamed
    thy say that the bible and twrat is changed by human
    joudisme is changed in there loove of mony and thy try to make joudisme normal with using the poor and coony
    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam youre profet e man just e man came to correct joudisme but thy reject it *
    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam is just e man and e profet of god but still just e man
    but you changed youre religion and you make the profet of god e god and you change it to far more worst
    thy say that islam is the last religion for all human kind and it the last light of god it call for loove mursy an equivalancy between all human kind
    soo pls if you have anyy reponce???????

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknight View Post
    haloo evry one
    thise is my question
    tell me pls what s cristianity realtion to islam ???
    i m arabian and when i speak to muslims
    thy tell me that joudisme and cristianty are religions of god that came before the last one mohamed
    thy say that the bible and twrat is changed by human
    joudisme is changed in there loove of mony and thy try to make joudisme normal with using the poor and coony
    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam youre profet e man just e man came to correct joudisme but thy reject it *
    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam is just e man and e profet of god but still just e man
    but you changed youre religion and you make the profet of god e god and you change it to far more worst
    thy say that islam is the last religion for all human kind and it the last light of god it call for loove mursy an equivalancy between all human kind
    soo pls if you have anyy reponce???????
    Jesus was foretold to come in scripture by many prophesies in the Bible. Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given, and his name shall be called wonderful, counselor, the mighty God, the everlasting father, the prince of peace.

    Adam, the first man, brought sin into the world, Jesus, the last man takes the sin away that we might become acceptable before God.

    The differences between Mohammed and Jesus.

    Jesus was foretold, Mohammed was not.

    Jesus was never married, Mohammed had many wives, some mere children.

    Jesus claimed to be the Son of God, Mohammed didn't.

    Jesus never raised a hand against another man, Mohammed killed many.

    Jesus said love your enemies, Mohammed said kill them.

    Jesus raised the dead, Mohammed didn't.

    Jesus himself was raised from the dead, Mohammed wasn't.

    Jesus' disciples gave their lives as a testimony of the truth of the good news, that the anointed one had come, Mohammed's disciples fought each other for power.

    Jesus Christ lives within my life, I know him personally.

    Grace and peace to you.

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    welll haloo first
    and thanks for responding
    11 first i didnt ask for e comparing between the 2 profets i now them very very good

    since the bible is changed by human why cant you posiblity that all of those ideas were changed like ,,,,he is the sun of god ;;; jesus is foretold or his marriage;;;;now who nows maybee he was married too
    cant you put those question and mabee thy are changed like the bible


    why you think it s good that he was not married human supose to be married it the normal way and god didnt ask you for non mariage andcall you for decency on the outside to protect youre society and that by bieng decent you protect youre bodie and soul but all human are supose to be married it annormal to be not married human will end if all human folow that road and thise is the source of gay craape
    and all the profets got married
    and that i think it the best way to have deceny and to protect youre body and soul and to get mrried when you arrive to the age i think that what god wonts
    maybee he didnt had the chance or the time or maybee he was in secret ??? but god will never call any one for somthink that is wrong and make noo sence like noo sex all youre life

    and about fighting it was written on on mohamed like it was wriiten on the joush in the time of moses when god order them to enter to jerusalem at the first time and you now what god do to them when thy didnt enter because thy get couwred god make them lost in the desert 40 years god oder him of that and somtimes you need to fight to defent to protect believers
    and do you now when mohamed enter mekka and all non believer were chainned and he forgive all of them soo he is mmuersful a loot but god writh on him to fight like all believer he must folow what god tell him

    and the point of meracles is not to impersse ppl and to make the profets appaire as gods but to show the signes that those are the true mesages of god
    moses hit the sea with his stiik and the sea got divided thise meracle containe more physiqual power than curring and all meracles that jesus performed soo should we worship moses and mohamed raise foutains of water in the sahahra from his hand soo should we worship moses or mohamed ???????

    and the idea that god will punish all human for the mistake of adam that he eat the apelle make god not fear and not mursiful to human between adam and jesus
    but i now in islam that god forgive adam when he get him down to earth and adam built kahba in makka ,, the cubic house in mekka ,, for god as the first house of god and angles helped him
    and god sent profet a lot and a lot of them to give human the knolege and wisdom and to call them for god and to give them k,olege ane knwloege make human free in his choise ,, to believe r not and to flow or not,,,


    and in the end thise is why i cant understand

    incoran clear in the coran thise 2 message are very very very clear god is one and that cristianity is changed thise 2 medages are clear
    and thank you for reponding peace and serrenty on you

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    Shalom "darknight"

    The Torah, is also the first 5 books of the Christian Bible, Old Testament .... I do believe it is not changed in the original Hebrew text.

    The Shema states clearly that God is ONE.
    As Christians we still believe that God is ONE, and thee is No other like Him.
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    Quote Originally Posted by darknight View Post
    why you think it s good that he was not married human supose to be married it the normal way and god didnt ask you for non mariage andcall you for decency on the outside to protect youre society and that by bieng decent you protect youre bodie and soul but all human are supose to be married it annormal to be not married human will end if all human folow that road and thise is the source of gay craape
    and all the profets got married
    and that i think it the best way to have deceny and to protect youre body and soul and to get mrried when you arrive to the age i think that what god wonts
    maybee he didnt had the chance or the time or maybee he was in secret ??? but god will never call any one for somthink that is wrong and make noo sence like noo sex all youre life
    You do not understand. Jesus came to seek and to save all mankind. Jesus came on earth to take a bride, and that bride is made up of everyone that comes unto him to be saved.

    You see the first man Adam brought sin into the world, and through Adam we are all condemned. Jesus came to redeem everyone that will accept him. Those that accept him are called the bride of Jesus Christ. This is why he never took a wife, because when he comes back to earth it will be for a marriage to all those that were willing, both those that have died in the past, and those that die in the future. They are his bride. Jesus Christ is the Son of God.

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    halooo evry one
    11 and thanks for responding
    twrat is changed and aissa sun of mariam is the first testment of that
    thy were griddy thy loove mony more than god and thy start to make it okk to take others mony from others and aissa

    it s the reason that god sent aissa sun of amriam the only reason
    and those are the book of god the words or god him self in it

    2 i dont now the islamique version of the creation of the world and the creation of human is a loot more right
    god wont be fear if he punish all humankind for what adam did ??

    in islam there are 5 books of god that s all
    ;;; al sohof for ibrahim but it faded a way with time
    ,,, twrat for for moses changed by joush because there loove of mony thy are the first to make lown with benefits to use the poor thy take mony from the poor and thy say it s for god
    ,,, al zabor e book of dawoud or david it didnt contain laws and e way of life but it contain messages of how god is greate
    ,,, the bible comme to correct twrat but thy reject him and kill him and only the mursy of god saved him
    in islam aissa was not kiiled he was saved and raised up to god body and soul and god make the one who betraye him appaire like and the joush kill him but with time crisitanity got changed too make aissa the sun of god and he is just e mesenger thy make god will punish all human for adam mistake but god forgive him just when he is sent to earth and thy make it too extreme life without sex and noo marriage
    ,,, the holly coran the last book of god the greate part of coran not just it complete and and it came as an arrabian book but for all human kind but that it s protected by god for in all the time
    and muslims are a lot 2 billions some are arabian others are not and thy occupei e huge part of the earth

    but untill now thy have just one coran so the coran is protected

    i m soory i should not post those thise thinks but it s the truth

    when i register in thise i was looking for other concpets like i was searching aboute peace with in and serrenty in the eyes of cristian that s all
    soo take care

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknight View Post
    halooo evry one
    11 and thanks for responding
    twrat is changed and aissa sun of mariam is the first testment of that
    What proof do you have that the Torah has been changed?
    Messiah Son of God, is New Testament teaching. It is already fulfillment of Old Testament teaching
    Torah as I have explained to you, is the first five books of the Old testament, the Books of Moses


    The Hebrew Bible, is unchanged
    The Christian Bible shows the fulfillment of OT (Hebrew Bible) promises
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    halooo evry one and thanks for responding

    11 ta,an twrah got changed and the aissa sun of marriam is the first testment
    and islam the stoy of the cretion of the world and the profets and the books i think is a lot more true than in cristianty and joudims

    in islam god sent a lot of profets and mesengers to call to believe in one god e god who does not have e sun or e wife e god that he is our maker and crator but we dolooke like him at all and to prepare our self for the last day
    untill the last one wish is mohamed come for all human kind to call them for god and he is the first signe of the last day and human wont have anny reason not to folow him
    the books of god are ,, in islam faith

    1the first bokk is al sohof for ibrahim and that book is gone by time

    2 the scond is twrat come to moses for the joush

    3 is zabor for david

    4 with time twrat was changed joush change it thy love mony and thy were getting greedy soo thy use the poor in there religion thy make it okk to deal with lown with benefits wish very very wrong and it use the poor thy call human to give mony to go and thy took those mony untill god sent e profet in them is aissa sun of mariam but thy reject him and conspaire to kill him he came with the bible

    with time the bible was changed too thy make the profet of god his sun and thy make there religion ,, way of life ww very hard life without sex all of those wrong thinks that leed to homosexuality and pedofilia

    than god god the last light
    5 the holly coran an arabian book of god that ment to guide all human to light and to make them all equal in the face of god it camme to correct all the other books

    the greatest think aboute coran is not just that longuisitique it s greate but it s protected from changing by the promise of god
    and coran in from 1400 year and it have 2 billion folowers and it spread all over the world it came for mederration and and there is an only one coran soo it e protected
    i m soory i should not post thise thread at all when it came to religion it s very very senetive part of human
    good bay now

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    halooo evry one and thanks for responding

    11 ta,an twrah got changed and the aissa sun of marriam is the first testment
    and islam the stoy of the cretion of the world and the profets and the books i think is a lot more true than in cristianty and joudims

    in islam god sent a lot of profets and mesengers to call to believe in one god e god who does not have e sun or e wife e god that he is our maker and crator but we dolooke like him at all and to prepare our self for the last day
    untill the last one wish is mohamed come for all human kind to call them for god and he is the first signe of the last day and human wont have anny reason not to folow him
    the books of god are ,, in islam faith

    1the first bokk is al sohof for ibrahim and that book is gone by time

    2 the scond is twrat come to moses for the joush

    3 is zabor for david

    4 with time twrat was changed joush change it thy love mony and thy were getting greedy soo thy use the poor in there religion thy make it okk to deal with lown with benefits wish very very wrong and it use the poor thy call human to give mony to go and thy took those mony untill god sent e profet in them is aissa sun of mariam but thy reject him and conspaire to kill him he came with the bible

    with time the bible was changed too thy make the profet of god his sun and thy make there religion ,, way of life ww very hard life without sex all of those wrong thinks that leed to homosexuality and pedofilia

    than god god the last light
    5 the holly coran an arabian book of god that ment to guide all human to light and to make them all equal in the face of god it camme to correct all the other books

    the greatest think aboute coran is not just that longuisitique it s greate but it s protected from changing by the promise of god
    and coran in from 1400 year and it have 2 billion folowers and it spread all over the world it came for mederration and and there is an only one coran soo it e protected
    i m soory i should not post thise thread at all when it came to religion it s very very senetive part of human
    good bay now

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    pls ejoice pls read what i tape very good befor you replie

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    darknight

    It is difficult to follow your writing.

    It is also perceived that you come here to teach your viewpoint and from your religious background.

    We have faith in Messiah Yeshua HaNatzarine.
    Son of God , who Himself also is God.
    We believe in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob

    What you have been taught of our faith will obviously be to put our faith in a bad light to keep you to yours.

    The reason your Koran differs from Torah and the Christian Bible is obvious, your faith is different to ours, you are the offspring of Abraham through Ishmael, we are off spring of Abraham, either through Isaac or by faith.
    Fenris: "There are two ways to shoot an arrow into a bulls-eye You can shoot the arrow into the bulls-eye or you can shoot the arrow and paint the bulls-eye wherever it hits"

    Romans 12:19 Don't seek revenge ... give place to God's wrath. For it is written "Vengeance belongs to me; I will repay, says the Lord"

    Isa. 30:32
    And every blow of the rod of punishment, which the Lord will lay on him, will be with the music of tambourines and lyres; And in battles, brandishing weapons, He will fight them

    G_d was gracious He has shown favor

    What are you willing to die for? Now live for it!




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    Quote Originally Posted by darknight View Post
    welll haloo first
    and thanks for responding
    11 first i didnt ask for e comparing between the 2 profets i now them very very good

    since the bible is changed by human why cant you posiblity that all of those ideas were changed like
    Hello and welcome.
    I just want to address these two things first...

    First....How can you know the two prophets very well if you don't believe what the Bible says about Jesus? What if what you believe about Jesus is wrong? Do you see my point?
    Second....How do you know that the Bible was changed? Because the Koran says so? How do you know that the Koran is really from God and the Bible isn't? Where is your proof?
    These are the questions you should first be asking yourself.
    I can answer you about the Bible and Jesus, but the question is; how can I know you will believe what I say about Jesus and the Bible, if you don't believe what the Bible says about Jesus?

    In Christianity and Judaism, we believe that God is One, and that there is only ONE God and the Bible is very very very clear on this as well. So far what you believe about us is wrong, care to go further with me? I would love to explain to you why Islam thinks we worship 3 gods when we do not, if you are willing to listen and believe my words.
    Quote Originally Posted by Diggindeeper View Post
    You CANNOT rightly divide the word by plucking out ONE verse to prove a theory you devised! You just can't do that. If I adhered to your way of interpreting scripture, then I promise you I can show you a verse that will PROVE Jesus was the head of a gang of horse thieves!

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    What does the Koran say about Jesus?

    The Koran agrees that the coming of Jesus was an act of God.


    5:46. And in their footsteps We sent Jesus the son of Mary, confirming the Law that had come before him: We sent him the Gospel: therein was guidance and light, and confirmation of the Law that had come before him: a guidance and an admonition to those who fear Allah.


    The Koran agrees to the virgin birth of Jesus. Jesus’ coming is supernatural. It is a miracle.


    003.045 Behold! the angels said: "O Mary! Allah giveth thee glad tidings of a Word from Him: his name will be Christ Jesus, the son of Mary, held in honour in this world and the Hereafter and of (the company of) those nearest to Allah;

    003.046 "He shall speak to the people in childhood and in maturity. And he shall be (of the company) of the righteous."

    003.047 She said: "O my Lord! How shall I have a son when no man hath touched me?" He said: "Even so: Allah createth what He willeth: When He hath decreed a plan, He but saith to it, ‘Be,’ and it is!
    This is a clear statement that Jesus was born without a human father. Only God has the power to create, not an angel. Without a human father, Jesus must be the Son of God!

    An angel who calls Jesus the “Christ”. Christ means “anointed one”, or Messiah.

    Here, Muhammad rejects the Trinity, and the divinity of Jesus, but still refers to Jesus as the Christ, the Messiah:


    004.171 O People of the Book! Commit no excesses in your religion: Nor say of Allah aught but the truth. Christ Jesus the son of Mary was (no more than) an apostle of Allah, and His Word, which He bestowed on Mary, and a spirit proceeding from Him: so believe in Allah and His apostles. Say not "Trinity" : desist: it will be better for you: for Allah is one Allah: Glory be to Him: (far exalted is He) above having a son. To Him belong all things in the heavens and on earth. And enough is Allah as a Disposer of affairs.


    How could Jesus be the Christ, born of God? Who is Jesus?

    Muhammad had no miraculous birth. He was just a man. There was no angel bring glad tidings of Muhammad’s birth.

    In the Koran, Jesus performs miracles. He heals the sick. He breathes life into a bird. Only God has the power to bring forth life.


    003.049 "And (appoint him) an apostle to the Children of Israel, (with this message): "’I have come to you, with a Sign from your Lord, in that I make for you out of clay, as it were, the figure of a bird, and breathe into it, and it becomes a bird by Allah’s leave: And I heal those born blind, and the lepers, and I quicken the dead, by Allah’s leave; and I declare to you what ye eat, and what ye store in your houses. Surely therein is a Sign for you if ye did believe;


    In the Koran, Jesus is without sin. There is a Hadith that says “Every child born of Adam is touched by Satan the day his mother is delivered of him with the exception of Mary and her son.” How could this be?

    The Koran says that Jesus conquered death, and rose to be with God. The Koran states Jesus was not crucified, but that God “raised Him up unto Himself”.


    004.157 That they said (in boast), "We killed Christ Jesus the son of Mary, the Apostle of Allah";- but they killed him not, nor crucified him, but so it was made to appear to them, and those who differ therein are full of doubts, with no (certain) knowledge, but only conjecture to follow, for of a surety they killed him not:-
    004.158 Nay, Allah raised him up unto Himself; and Allah is Exalted in Power, Wise;
    -

    Jesus was raised into heaven. Muhammad died and lies as dust in Medina.

    Muhammad rejected Jesus as the Christ. But God let some truth into the Koran. The Koran points to the divinity of Jesus, and to Jesus as a Messiah. One cannot have a sinless man, born of a virgin, a miracle worker, and the Christ, without accepting his superiority over Muhammad and all prophets.

    Pray to God and seek truth. If you seek it, and you are willing to go where it leads you, then God will lead you to all truth. That truth is found in Jesus.
    In Christ,

    -- Rev

    “To preserve the government we must also preserve morals. Morality rests on religion; if you destroy the foundation, the superstructure must fall. When the public mind becomes vitiated and corrupt, laws are a nullity and constitutions are waste paper.” – Daniel Webster, 4th of July, 1800, Oration at Hanover, N.H.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darknight View Post
    haloo evry one
    thise is my question
    tell me pls what s cristianity realtion to islam ???
    Christianity and Islam have no direct relation to each other. They are indirectly related in that each religion is monotheistic, each religion teaches obedience, each religion teaches judgment for the wicked and reward to the devoted.

    i m arabian and when i speak to muslims
    thy tell me that joudisme and cristianty are religions of god that came before the last one mohamed
    This is true.

    thy say that the bible and twrat is changed by human
    joudisme is changed in there loove of mony and thy try to make joudisme normal with using the poor and coony
    This is not true. Each religion, Christianity, Judaism, and Islam, have devoted protectors of the sacred writings. The Bible has not been changed.

    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam youre profet e man just e man came to correct joudisme but thy reject it *
    Jesus is a man. But he is not just a man. He is the man whom God sent into the world to act as king over all creation.

    and thy say that aissa sun of mariam is just e man and e profet of god but still just e man
    Jesus is a prophet, yes. But he is also a king and a priest.

    but you changed youre religion and you make the profet of god e god and you change it to far more worst
    Jesus is God incarnate. Either we made this up or it is true. Either way, you must decide for yourself. I believe that Jesus is who he claimed to be, the son of God, the king of Israel.

    thy say that islam is the last religion for all human kind and it the last light of god it call for loove mursy an equivalancy between all human kind
    While Islam came after the other two religions, it is not the last religion. It isn't a question of who came first or who came last but who is right. Compare what Jesus said with what Mohamed said and make up your mind based on that.

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