Police Officer Ordered to Violate His Faith

[quiet dove]

OUr govt isn't supposed to force us to take part in religious activities or to violate our own religious convictions. The police dept is forcing him by punishing him for not being a part of it.

I wonder what would happen if it were the other way around, if the Muslim were order to go to a Christian appreciation day, and if he/she were to refuse, then what. Or, what if it had been a Jewish appreciation day?

[Saved7]

I'm not sure that really flies to be honest. I can take my shoes off without worshipping, just as I can worship without taking my shoes off. Some people might consider it holy ground and worship based on it being holy ground but that doesn't mean anyone else has to consider it holy.

In my mind it is an admittance that their god is god, and I would be offended....so maybe this is really what it's all about, to this gentleman, it's an offense to his spiritual life and a stumbling block to him. And if I am not mistaken, religious decisions such as these are protected under the constitution if it goes against our conscience as a religious person, we can site freedom of religion. Also, Daniel and the other three were ordered to bow at the sound of music to the idol "Nebby" built....not everyone there saw it as a god, but they did it to preserve their lives...of course Daniel wasn't actually in that scene, it was the other 3 that were there and they didn't have to believe it was a god, they just needed to bow and save their lives. But they chose not to bow, why? Because it was an affront to their faith. Where are we supposed to draw that line if we don't draw it there? Just something to think about.

[quiet dove]

First of all, he's an employee of the government. That means they can order him around.

Second of all, being ordered to attend a community policing event is not the same as being ordered to take part in a religious service.

Are you saying that if under the same circumstances, you would have gone?

[Reynolds357]

Are you saying that if under the same circumstances, you would have gone?

I would have gone, but I would not have taken my boots off. The only way they can order me to go anywhere in uniform is if I am going in official capacity. If I go in official capacity, I will wear the uniform our SOP dictates.

[quiet dove]

I would have gone, but I would not have taken my boots off. The only way they can order me to go anywhere in uniform is if I am going in official capacity. If I go in official capacity, I will wear the uniform our SOP dictates.

But an official capacity would be crime investigation or something along the lines of doing the job of protecting citizens and so on.

I just find it hard to believe that is a Muslim officer were ordered to attend a Christian proselytizing event, or a Jewish proselytizing, any Christian or Jewish event, that the Muslim would not have a problem with it, and we would be reading about how this offended his rights and it was wrong to order him/her to attend such a planned event.

[Reynolds357]

But an official capacity would be crime investigation or something along the lines of doing the job of protecting citizens and so on.

I just find it hard to believe that is a Muslim officer were ordered to attend a Christian proselytizing event, or a Jewish proselytizing, any Christian or Jewish event, that the Muslim would not have a problem with it, and we would be reading about how this offended his rights and it was wrong to order him/her to attend such a planned event.

I agree. We, as a nation, go out of our way to kiss the rear end of any practitioner of false religion.

[quiet dove]

I agree. We, as a nation, go out of our way to kiss the rear end of any practitioner of false religion.

How true.. .

[Cornflake]

But an official capacity would be crime investigation or something along the lines of doing the job of protecting citizens and so on.

The cops in my town have to go to community meetings all the time. You can call and arrange for a detective and beat cop to come to your building or block and have a discussion about crime prevention or listen to citizens' concerns. Cops go to schools and do little presentations for kids, etc., etc.

This was a community policing event, something cops go to, at least in areas I know, all the time.

If it would affect his conscience by going, then he is right not to go.

Then he doesn't get to keep his job - which is his perogative, but same as an er dr. doesn't get to not help someone he doesn't feel like, the cop doesn't get to choose his assignments.

[quiet dove]

The cops in my town have to go to community meetings all the time. You can call and arrange for a detective and beat cop to come to your building or block and have a discussion about crime prevention or listen to citizens' concerns. Cops go to schools and do little presentations for kids, etc., etc.

This was a community policing event, something cops go to, at least in areas I know, all the time.

But this did not sound like an officer going to talk about crime prevention or whatever, this was a religious event designed to teach about a particular religion.

[Warrior4God]

But an official capacity would be crime investigation or something along the lines of doing the job of protecting citizens and so on.

I just find it hard to believe that is a Muslim officer were ordered to attend a Christian proselytizing event, or a Jewish proselytizing, any Christian or Jewish event, that the Muslim would not have a problem with it, and we would be reading about how this offended his rights and it was wrong to order him/her to attend such a planned event.

Exactly. If this was a Muslim police officer his department would make sure he didn't have to attend a Christian or Jewish based event because it would be "insensitive" to do so. Gag. Barf....

[Cornflake]

But this did not sound like an officer going to talk about crime prevention or whatever, this was a religious event designed to teach about a particular religion.

Really? Law Enforcement Appreciation Day is a religious event?

[quiet dove]

Really? Law Enforcement Appreciation Day is a religious event?

From what the article said, there would be proselytizing going on, there was more going on than appreciation for law enforcement, especially when this Sharia organization does not respect American law in the first place and fully desires to implement Sharia here and do away with "America".

http://www.prophecynewswatch.com/2011/July15/1562.html

A petition campaign organized by ACT! for America already has collected tens of thousands of signatures in support of Fields. The organization, run by global Islamic terrorism expert Brigitte Gabriel, is planning to present the petition signatures to officials in Tulsa on behalf of the officer.
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The petition states: "We the undersigned are outraged that Captain Paul Fields was demoted and suspended without pay for refusing to attend a 'Law Enforcement Appreciation Day' at the Islamic Society of Tulsa, which was nothing more than an Islamic proselytizing event."
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The day "had nothing to do with any official police function. It clearly fell outside of the police department's policy on community policing, and based on comments made by police department officials in a closed door meeting, it was not 'community outreach' as it has been previously portrayed," the law firm explained.
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"Rather, it included a mosque tour, meetings with local Muslims and Muslim leadership, observing a 'weekly prayer service,' and lectures on Islamic 'beliefs,'" the Thomas More Law Center explained. "The event was scheduled for Friday, March 4, 2011 – Friday being the 'holy day' or 'Sabbath' for Islam. In fact, the event was originally voluntary, but when not enough officers were willing to attend, it became mandatory."
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According to the new Tulsa lawsuit, images of some police officers appeared later in a publicity photograph used by the mosque to promote "Islam classes for Non-Muslims."
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Thus, the "Appreciation Day" was no more than an opportunity "to promote what Shariah-adherents such as the Muslim Brotherhood have described as 'civilization jihad,'" the lawsuit said.

The complaint also notes the Tulsa organization is affiliated with the Council on American-Islamic Relations and the Islamic Society of North America – both "unindicted, co-conspirators and/or joint venturers in the 2008 Holy Land Foundation terrorism financing trial."

ISNA, the case explains, is the "largest Muslim brotherhood front in North America."

[Cornflake]

Yes... however, if we look at a reputable source -

The Law Enforcement Appreciation Day was held March 4 at the mosque of the Islamic Society of Tulsa. Jordan has said the Islamic Society scheduled the event to show its appreciation for the officers' response to a threat against it. Officers have attended past events at that location.

So Law Enforcement Appreciation Day was held, as the name does suggest, to thank the officers in the community for their service and give them snacks. How DARE they!

[quiet dove]

Yes... however, if we look at a reputable source -



So Law Enforcement Appreciation Day was held to thank the officers in the community for their service and give them snacks. How DARE they!

Umm, thats why there is so much stir over then, must not have been the right kind of donuts served as snacks.

[Cornflake]

There's not stir over the event. One guy refused to go, got suspended and this, along with mis"reporting" of the event, caused a stir.