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    Re: Identity Problem In Dispensationalism

    This argument would be endless. No one is dishonoring the physical descendants of Abraham by believing in Paul's re-definition of Israel. Read what I said

    "However, Hebrews Chapter Eleven lists
    some of the people of old Israel who lived by faith. Those listed
    in this chapter include Abel, Enouch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, Isaac,
    Jacob, Moses, Gideon, and even the prostitute Rahab. "These all died in faith,
    not having received the promises, but having seen them afar
    off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that
    they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." Hebrews 11: 13 There
    were a few Hebrews at the time Christ was born who were faithful, such
    as Simeon and Anna discussed in Luke Chapter 2.

    In Matthew 27: 52-53, after Christ died on the Cross and the veil of
    the temple was torn, indicating the Old Covenant was taken away
    (Hebrews 10: 9), "The graves
    were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose...and went
    into the holy city and appeared unto many."

    And a remnant thousands of the physical descendants of Abraham were saved from Pentecost on to sometime later.

    Those who want to follow Paul's re-definition of Israel may know that they cannot convince all or even a majority of those who reject this re-definition by citing scripture. What they can do is allow the Lord to open the eyes, ears and hearts of some to come to the truth of what Paul was saying. All they have to do is present the scriptures and leave the rest up to the Lord.

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    Re: Identity Problem In Dispensationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by northwye View Post
    This argument would be endless. No one is dishonoring the physical descendants of Abraham by believing in Paul's re-definition of Israel. Read what I said

    "However, Hebrews Chapter Eleven lists
    some of the people of old Israel who lived by faith. Those listed
    in this chapter include Abel, Enouch, Noah, Abraham, Sara, Isaac,
    Jacob, Moses, Gideon, and even the prostitute Rahab. "These all died in faith,
    not having received the promises, but having seen them afar
    off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that
    they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth." Hebrews 11: 13 There
    were a few Hebrews at the time Christ was born who were faithful, such
    as Simeon and Anna discussed in Luke Chapter 2.

    In Matthew 27: 52-53, after Christ died on the Cross and the veil of
    the temple was torn, indicating the Old Covenant was taken away
    (Hebrews 10: 9), "The graves
    were opened, and many bodies of the saints which slept arose...and went
    into the holy city and appeared unto many."

    And a remnant thousands of the physical descendants of Abraham were saved from Pentecost on to sometime later.

    Those who want to follow Paul's re-definition of Israel may know that they cannot convince all or even a majority of those who reject this re-definition by citing scripture. What they can do is allow the Lord to open the eyes, ears and hearts of some to come to the truth of what Paul was saying. All they have to do is present the scriptures and leave the rest up to the Lord.
    If you do not honor them, then what is left but to dishonor them? The Jewish people are a special case, and while G-d is no respector of persons, He clearly chose these people to DELIVER the scriptures to mankind through. Is there any scripture that God did not chose a Hebrew to write it? Equally important, HE also clearly chose these particular people to DELIVER the Christ through. Both the 'word' and the 'word make flesh' came through Hebraic lineage.

    You speak as though your theology is absolute, but I know that God's ways are above mans ways. Is replacement theology the 'gospel of Christ'?

    Paul isn't changing the definition from Israel defined according to the flesh to Israel defined by promise, but rather is pointing out that Israel, according to promise, has always been the primary definition of who makes up the people of God!

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    Re: Identity Problem In Dispensationalism

    Quote Originally Posted by arc111 View Post
    If you do not honor them, then what is left but to dishonor them? The Jewish people are a special case, and while G-d is no respector of persons, He clearly chose these people to DELIVER the scriptures to mankind through. Is there any scripture that God did not chose a Hebrew to write it? Equally important, HE also clearly chose these particular people to DELIVER the Christ through. Both the 'word' and the 'word make flesh' came through Hebraic lineage.

    You speak as though your theology is absolute, but I know that God's ways are above mans ways. Is replacement theology the 'gospel of Christ'?

    Paul isn't changing the definition from Israel defined according to the flesh to Israel defined by promise, but rather is pointing out that Israel, according to promise, has always been the primary definition of who makes up the people of God!
    you don't believe this?

    Galations 3:7-9
    7 Know ye therefore that they which are of faith, the same are the children of Abraham.

    8 And the scripture, foreseeing that God would justify the heathen through faith, preached before the gospel unto Abraham, saying, In thee shall all nations be blessed.

    9 So then they which be of faith are blessed with faithful Abraham.

    There is no 'replacement theology' here, and its false to say that in light of the scriptures.
    My favorite scripture: Malachi 3:16

    "Then they that feared the LORD spake often one to another: and the LORD hearkened, and heard it, and a book of remembrance was written before him for them that feared the LORD, and that thought upon his name!" (Every time we speak of the Lord, or even THINK of him--its written down in a book of remembrance!)

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