Neither Jew Nor Gentile
It is written that when we live by the law, faith has no value, faith is made void. How are we affected regarding grace and salvation if faith is made void?
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
God bless you!
Firstfruits
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This is the first time I've ever heard someone say that following the law is bad.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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those who live by the law and not by faith, their obedience to the law is of no value. They are not considered righteous.Originally Posted by Firstfruits
notice what was written previous to that verse.
"We have been saying that Abraham’s faith was credited to him as righteousness. 10 Under what circumstances was it credited? Was it after he was circumcised, or before? It was not after, but before! 11 And he received circumcision as a sign, a seal of the righteousness that he had by faith while he was still uncircumcised."
Obedience of the law that is observed because of faith is a seal of righteousness. Abraham wasn't circumsized to be righteous, he was circumsized because he was righteous by faith.
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
The law is not bad, however if you cannot keep the whole law then you are a law breaker. This means that if you kept 99% of the law, the whole law is broken. The promise of God is not to those that keep the law but those that live by faith. Being a Jew or being a Gentile means nothing to God, only that we live by faith as he requires.
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
Not what you said above.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
We can no longer attain righteousness by observing the law, God has sent us his Son that by faith in Jesus we attain the righteousness of God. As it is written the just shall live by faith. The law is not of faith.
Firstfruits
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
We cannot please God even if we could keep the whole law.
Rom 3:20 Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: for by the law is the knowledge of sin.
Rom 3:28 Therefore we conclude that a man is justified by faith without the deeds of the law.
If we are heirs by observing the law then it is no longer by promise, but it was by promise, and that promise by faith.
Rom 4:14 For if they which are of the law be heirs, faith is made void, and the promise made of none effect:
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
So keeping the law is bad. That's what I said you said.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
The message has not changed.
Hab 2:4 Behold, his soul which is lifted up is not upright in him: but the just shall live by his faith.
Rom 1:17 For therein is the righteousness of God revealed from faith to faith: as it is written, The just shall live by faith.
Gal 3:11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.
Heb 10:38 Now the just shall live by faith: but if any man draw back, my soul shall have no pleasure in him.
By observing the law you are living by the law. Living by the law is not living by faith.
Firstfruits
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
The law is not bad but God has given us a better way. Do you keep the whole law?
Firstfruits
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
Gal 3:21 Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.
Gal 3:22 But the scripture hath concluded all under sin, that the promise by faith of Jesus Christ might be given to them that believe.
Firstfruits
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i know..that was what i said, and i backed it up with scripture. Did you not understand what I wrote?
Neither Jew Nor Gentile
I understood, and it was just to show that I agree with you.
Firstfruits
Deadpan Snarker
That's not what you said.
Hear the word of the Lord, O nations, and declare it on the islands from afar, and say, "He Who scattered Israel will gather them together and watch them as a shepherd his flock."
Jeremiah 31:9
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The point here is that you can't be righteous by keeping the law. Faith is the only righteousness.
When Abraham took Isaac to be sacrificed, he did so by faith. His faith in the LORD lead him to rest in Him for everything.
Abraham's obedience to the law was only because of his faith. Because he was so reliant on God, he desired to be obedient.
His faith fueled his obedience to the law. So the law is not bad, but God looks at your motive for being obedient. He looks at your heart.
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